Nothing, nothing, nothing, Now, now, now - 8 May 2015

Let's catch up in the chat a little bit. Jerome says the link is not there yet. And yet there are people who came in. I don't feel that that would be possible, isn't it, until the moderator would have posted the links? No, it's not visible, the link. I came in through that. I actually come in through the same link. I know that there's an announcement if there's no space for me, but usually I only use the link from YouTube. So I would not be able to enter also. The moderator is sending it to me on chat as well the previous night, but I always use this because I have this bookmark on my toolbar which is the YouTube feed. So I go to the YouTube feed, go to the top video, and go to the Hangout link from there. So it must be there. That's why I came in. Same place always. It's at the same place in the description, right on top. And Sonia wants to come in. So any one of you who feel that it's fine to make some space, you can make some space.

And carries a sword to cut away at the roots of delusion. This is very good. Can you also take a photo and send us? It will be very nice. He is you, Father. This is the same soul, Eric. So all of you are part of the Sangha. You are my brothers and sisters, you are my children. So know that this presence of the Master, Guru Mooji Ji, is always with you because we have one family. When she said that after satsang it seems a little bit easier, yes, so that's why satsang is here. That's why we do it. It's not just so that you can hear these words; it's also that you bathe in this energetic presence and then the pointing seems simpler.

Nikki says, 'Does the person ever know that the knowing is known?' The person can never know this. The person is always only pretending. What is the person? Just this bundle of thoughts and similar energies. Therefore, don't go with the mind's proclamation. Because what can happen is that when I ask you to look and you look, then the mind has two options how to react. The first option, the usual option, is that, 'Yes, yes, I see, but I'm not there yet.' One reaction of the mind, and you buy it, and immediately it seems like, 'Oh, I'm not there yet.' The second is this reaction: 'Yes, I got it finally.' And you must not even go with this one. Neither the proclamation that 'I got it,' neither this belief that 'No, no, I missed it again.' You cannot miss it. You're not missing it. You're just expecting the mind to confirm what is true. Remember, none of you can miss the truth. The truth is what is here already. You are already the truth. All that needs to be dropped is the waiting for the mind's confirmation and the letting go of the mind's proclamations also. So this is the state of neutrality.

Thank you. Say that again. Yeah, say it again.

Yes. What happens is the mind will say, 'I got it,' you see? And it has a sense of specialness about it. So when you look, you see, 'Yes.' And this is simply like you've been seeing, isn't it? I am just this witnessing. There's no fireworks, nothing. It's so simple. You're finding this and then you can say, 'No, I haven't still, I'm not there. I have to be there only,' or something like this. So it will say that 'not got it,' or it will say, 'Yes, now I got it. Yeah, and all these ones who are asking these questions, they haven't got it. I got it.' Like that. The sense of specialness, the sense of arrogance can come. So both these are just another form of person, who are just energetic constructs of the mind, and we must let them go the same way that here, let the other thoughts go. Because if you hang on to these, then this becomes another thing that needs to be transcended in this seeming journey. This becomes another point that needs to be transcended then. And it is the most tiring one. Even I must say that when I have to deal with this sort of energy—the egoic 'I got it' energy—it's the most ironic because you know the words which will come will be true. What you say, the words will be true, but there's still this person which has taken hold of these words.

So, 'I know I've got it and the others are still in the process.' And this can become the most tricky to deal with. So if I say you haven't got it, that is also not true because you are it. They say you are it, but this 'you' which is speaking now is not it. Okay? This is the only way we can respond when this kind of spiritual ego comes up. There was one very close Sangha member in the Mooji family and she had this strong reaction once. She had this feeling that she got it, she got it. So she was telling Guruji that, 'Oh, you know, these people, they don't understand. We will understand this chat.' So it's like this, like this kind of stuff. And then, I'm not sure exactly the words used, but something that implied, 'No, no, you know, just stay in the room' or something like that. And then she was never seen again. Never seen again. This is the spiritual ego. The same one minute ago could be saying, 'I'm so grateful, so grateful to you and you know, I see, I see it completely.' It is the same one who, when the one you're grateful to says, 'No, no, just stay in satsang a little more,' seems like an attack. Everything.

In a video there's a guy and she mocks him and mocks him, and, 'You know, I thought you knew everything,' and he was always talking about that. Priya says, 'I have been around the "I think I've got it" merry-go-round a few times in not many years, and yes, it does go around and round and goes nowhere.' Exactly. Because the mind now wants a glorious ending to this story. Because it says that, 'So many years I've been a seeker, it must end with this glory of having a halo around my head and having many devotees at my feet. It must end like this.' This is what the mind says. 'And all bliss and all joy, and I should be able to predict the future and I should know what is happening in every corner of the universe.' So when I say, 'What will convince you of your freedom?' these are the symptoms, actually, which some of you are waiting for but are too shy to expose.

So if these things are lurking, it's very natural because these are the common trump cards of the mind. And if I come and say it's not in any of that, in any of that, you see? Just here now, in the simplicity of what is here now, irrespective of whether you spend the rest of your life in isolation or you have hundreds of thousands of people who are chasing you for your darshan. Either makes no difference. Are you okay with this moment being the end of your story? Seriously, you must ask yourself this. If there was nothing at all that happened after this moment in your life—not even death, you see what I'm saying? Not even that you died now—just nothing happened. The author was writing the story and then it stopped right now. He or she stopped. Are you okay with this to be the ending of the story?

And observe what the mind is saying. Observe what the mind is saying. See? And in that you will get a glimpse of your expectations about the future. It seemed like so much happened to me in my life. Between meeting my Master, I saw that nothing has ever happened to me. And after that meeting, it is completely clear that nothing has ever happened to me. Of course, conversationally we can say that this happened to me, 'I was going in my car and this happened.' You can say conversationally. You cannot truly believe that there was a 'me' that any of this happened to. This is what it means: nothing has actually ever happened. And there is no need. Just try, just expose that. But also just, just here. Very good. So you must check that if this was the last moment in which something were to happen, would we be okay with that? We're still waiting for some glorious end to this story.

And Bhagavati says, 'What could end other than our deluded belief in our thoughts?' Yes. So to believe that the end has come would be a delusion also. Yes. Nothing, like I said. Not even death. Nothing. Priya says, 'It is clear here that I can never become free. The imagined "I" can never become free and the real "I" was never bound.' Can never be. By me, the imagined 'I' doesn't exist, so the concept of bondage and freedom cannot really apply to it, to a non-existent one. And to the real you also, there is no concept of bondage or freedom because you cannot be bound, you see? And this must be the frustration of the seeker. This is when we find many who come and say, 'For many, many years I've been seeking, I'm just now tired.' Because this imagined one, how can it become free? It is just non-existent in truth.

And the real life was never bound, can never be. By me, the imagined 'I' doesn't exist, so the concept of bondage and freedom cannot really apply to it, to a non-existent one. And to the real you also, there is no concept of bondage or freedom because you cannot be bound, you see. And this must be the frustration of the seeker. This is when we find many who come and say, 'For many, many years I've been seeking, I'm just now tired.' Because this imagined one, how can it become free? It is just non-existent. In the real awareness, it is like the space in which this time and space is arising. You cannot even say that it is this space, and even this space cannot be bound, actually. What can bind this space? Remember when he says, 'I fell in love with this nothing, nothing, nothing.' This nothing. Down the 'I' that is looking for something, yes, but not in the final year. In a now moment, by a moment, we are always about the now.

Jerome says, 'See the end. See the end is the beginning of a future who doesn't exist and doesn't exist.' So what's important is to see that nothing has ever happened to me, because the 'me' in this way has been non-existent in any clear phenomena. That is the main point which I am driving at. It's completely fine. Okay, let's catch up to the YouTube chat as well. Verse 1 says, 'Father, there have been records of instances wherein enlightenment was given from a master to the disciple. Now that I am unable to get it myself, please give it to me. I am dumb and pointless now.' There have been records of instances wherein enlightenment was given from a master to the disciple. 'Now that I am unable to get it myself, please give it to me. I am dumb and pointless now.'

I have never come across anyone—I've read in some stories that they became free without the grace of the master, and this can be a strong... I know when I say this, some egos will start to flare up. But all that I'm saying is that I have not come across one who, if he is free or she is free, did not have the grace of the master, you know, physical form present. I'm not saying that it's not possible; all I am saying is that I have not come across anyone like that. And few stories that I've heard, one is Bhagavan's case. He said that, 'I did not have the master in a typical physical form; he was in a much bigger physical form.' So in this play, it seemed like for most who discover, the funny thing is it is just a discovery of what you have always been. And yet in this play, it is mostly being guided by this heart in the appearance of an external person to start with. And this external person is always saying that, 'Find me inside you. Find me inside.' That is the true, true master.

So I had the joy of being in the presence of some who have completely come to this seeing that they are not a person and all they are is this pure witnessing, this pure awareness. And all of them have always said, 'It's only through the grace of my master.' So if you see that, 'I'm here, I'm open,' and even this is your problem, you see. So now you see that even enlightenment is your problem. This is a master. You say that, and then you say, 'Please give it to me.' This 'give it to me' also must be dropped, you see. Because if you hand it over to the master, then whether it is to come to you or not come to you is also the master's problem. So this 'I', once it's handed over, then you will find that you have always been this. It is just a handing over of the person which is required. It's just an idea that 'I am a person and I want something.' Just an idea.

My YouTube window was frozen so I refreshed. Very good, Hans, very good. Maya says, 'It's only the now that anything is real, isn't it? So how can we say something like "I've got it" or not? It seems only now is real, so what does the rest matter? Just sharing what I am seeing now.' This is very good, very good. It is of course not thoughts in the now, but the now itself. That's great. Namaste. Jerome says, 'Grace is unconditional. Abba Father, with you with full gratitude for this matter.' Thank you so much, my dear. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you, my dear. Bhagwati says, 'I thank God with every breath that I met you in this life. No more joy is even possible here.' No more joy is even possible here. It went like that, and then I met more of him through all of you, and I realized that this joy is also limitless. All of you are also my Father's gift. Thank you.

Any sense of self and personhood that may pop up are always at your feet. So much gratitude builds up that I can't really express it. Thank you. Beautiful. Satya says, 'I can see Father and my mummy smiled today. Love you, love you, satsang.' And if your daughter is there... and Ishani says, 'It's funny, but I feel all this is too good to be true. This keeps everything neutral. Too much joy, too much peace, too much love.' Stephen says, 'Namaste. It's so strange, it does not feel like me.' You'll have to elaborate a little more because I know that usually there's a bit of lag between what is being said here and what you hear on YouTube. There's about a minute's lag. Thank you.

Just let go of all sense of control about anything at all. Don't try to control your breath; let it move in and out as it likes. Relinquish all sense of control over the body also. Don't even control the expressions on your face. Just let go. Be completely open to all sounds. Everything is welcome. Don't try to control your thoughts. Let all thoughts come and go. Let all thoughts come and go. Be completely open. Observe how thoughts will entice your belief, and just observe how attention goes to some of these thoughts. Become clear about these forces which are at play now. For every thought that comes, give it your full attention. Invite all thoughts to come, even the thought that there are no thoughts. Give it your full attention. Notice that some of them seem to be tempting your belief, and yet belief must be given to them by you. However certain the process might seem, consciousness picks up the belief and then this thought will become meaningful for you. It will seem like it applies to you.

Let go of all understanding, all concepts, and observe that it is clear that I am here. You are here to observe the sense that 'I am'. All thoughts can continue, all emotions can come; this 'I am' is unchanging. Notice that it is not a thought, 'I am', because the presence of you that you are, the sense of you, you are aware of this presence also. You are aware of being. To be aware and notice that awareness is here effortlessly. Ask yourself: Am I aware now? Am I aware now? Awareness is aware of itself. Rest as this awareness without any effort. Observe how nothing can touch you here. No feeling means anything to you, and yet all feelings can come. No thought means anything to you, yet all thoughts can come. You are not touched by the external world and all the energies in the internal world. Notice that for you, they are one, just a play of energy. See what you are. Am I aware now?

Observe that you are not the thought, you are not an emotion, you are not even the presence of being. All of these appear and disappear for you. You are the primal witnessing of all which is coming and going. You have no interest in controlling the flow of these appearances. Everything is allowed to come and go. You remain as this awareness—unchanging, untouched, eternal, without any attributes. You are aware of your waking state or of your dream state. You are aware of all states, including the sleep state. All thoughts are allowed to come and go. They don't touch you and you don't touch them. May the Master's grace keep reminding you of this truth of what you are until all sense of separation dissolves.

The ones that have been trained, they came first. Just a couple minutes of that, we're doing that. And when I didn't give them my—even if I gave them my attention, it's fine, but when I didn't give them my belief, they just... they were nothing. But then it was just... it must still be interest for them to keep coming.

What interest means is this: it means that it is something which is now nourished through your belief. What is the interest? When you say, 'I'm interested in something,' it means that this is one area which seriously has some meaning for me, yes. And meaning is derived from, again, from this belief itself. So when we withdraw the belief, then although some past interests can seem to be there, because we keep withdrawing this belief, then this sense of interest also dies down.

It almost felt like it was more just sensations after that. Images would come, the old images would come, and you know, withdraw the belief, and it's just almost sensational.

The sensations, no problem, unless you believe a thought about them. Because many times it will feel like, 'No, thoughts are not bothering me anymore, it's just these feelings.' And if you were to really check, we'll see that these feelings can be there, these sensations can seem strong, but it's only our belief about them that really causes the suffering. The momentary pain can be there through the sensations, but the resistance is there only in the belief with the thoughts about them also. Very simply, you just cannot suffer without believing your thought. It's not possible.

David and Shivani had to go. And Stephen says, 'Thank you, Satguru. No more story and now.' And Stephen says, 'Can one please upload the meditation later?' Prema has been working very well with the highlights, so I'm sure that she will come to this also. I'm sure it must be a bit tricky for her because to identify the beginning of the meditation, because it just started off and we were talking and then something became, which is very good. Maya says, 'Stephen, that started at 54 minutes.' Yes.

Because this openness, it wasn't a system. So still, I feel like an outsider, so there's a resistance. So they're doing a second now. Everything is beautiful. Is that a state? And I'm feeling these thoughts. Is that the state of awareness?

Actually, awareness is not a state. States are appearing in front of us. And I have to keep clarifying it because the mind will take it on and say, 'I have to be in the state of awareness.' And it makes it something that you have to do. Actually, awareness, you see it right now, that 'I am aware.' This is awareness. There's nothing you have to do to become aware. So every time we check, yes, I am aware. In all these, now you have seen very clearly that all these objects are appearing and disappearing, yet you are here. When we check what this 'you' is, you'll see that it is the same awareness itself. It's not coming and going; nothing is changing. Now you don't need to close your eyes also. I keep saying 'your state'; it's okay as long as you don't mean it as a state. It's okay. Words are okay because no words are actually true. Not even the words I use to say that the only truth which you can speak is that 'I am', and ultimately even this is untrue. So all these are just thorns which you move other thorns with, then we throw both the thorns away. And my Master also says, 'Don't make tattoos out of any words which are spoken even in satsang.'

Please, could you say like this? Because just a few days ago he was saying that it's only clear to me when my eyes are closed.

And you will find that as this solidifies in some way more and more, you see that it's unchanging. Open, closed, it becomes very effortless. Oh no, sorry, I don't need to be so rude. In the meditation, a belief showed up relating to letting attention go wherever it wants, that 'I have to repeat the thoughts because I cannot hold the attention to the thoughts and because attention is very short on something to help with this repeating.' A belief showed up relating to letting attention go wherever it wants, that 'I have to repeat the thoughts because I cannot hold the attention to thoughts and because attention is very short.' It cannot hold attention to thoughts; it's the best thing! Because this is the first key of the locker to misery. There are two keys. If you go to a bank locker, usually in many countries, also in India, one key is with the banker, the other key is with you.

It's very always very short on something to help with this repeating. I believe it showed up relating to late attention going wherever it wants, that I have to repeat the thoughts because I cannot hold the attention to thoughts. And because attention is very short, it cannot hold attention to thoughts. It's the best thing because this is the first key of the locker to misery. There are two keys. If you go to a bank locker, usually in many countries, also in India, one key is with the banker, the other key is with you. If you want something out of the locker, both keys have to be open. So to get misery out of this mind, to get suffering out of this mind, both the keys of attention and belief must be applied. You say that my attention cannot remain on any thoughts; this is very short attention span. This is very good, having something to help me with this repeating. So is the feeling that you have to keep reminding yourself because your attention doesn't remain? Is it like that? The repeating is coming from there? Is it that we have to keep reminding that this is what is being said? It's like that.

Okay. The point of all these pointings is so that your attention is withdrawn from your thoughts. So naturally, if that is happening, then it is completely fine. Thank you. So that's what's happening outside. Yes, but even the giving of attention and belief is also happening in awareness. Awareness remains untouched through the delusion of personhood and through this coming to this liberation. Awareness has always been awareness. The only thing which is happening is that through withdrawal of this belief, the sense of separation, the belief in personhood, is getting dissolved. It's not that awareness is changing in any way. So that's all that's happened. So from this so-called sleep to the awakening is only the belief that I am the ego, through the belief to the seeing that there is no ego. That's all that. Yes.

Three months is the highlight, it has been noted. Thank you for your beautiful Seva, all of you. Amaya, so many of you working on the transcripts and excerpts and highlights. It's very beautiful because such expectationless—not even the expectation of praise or gratitude—just pure service without any expectation, just as a gift. I have rarely seen, I have hardly ever seen such beautiful Seva that all of you do. And I'm so, so grateful. Although I might not see it often, I might not see it enough, but I know that in your heart, with your kindness, it is much, much appreciated. And many are benefiting through the highlights. I get many messages actually that, 'I'm not able to come to satsang because of timing or whatever, I live in a crowded house,' all these can come, 'but I read your transcripts, I read your quotes, I watched a highlight.' So all whoever's being helped by this, whoever is consuming all of this, all their gratitude, all their blessings are coming to you as well.

Love cannot help but flow. Such open hearts here in this Sangha. We never seem to even have to ask each other for help; it just comes. All of you are very, very beautiful. And for those of you who are new, this Sangha is not something which you need to sign up for. This happens on its own. You become part of the family; you feel like you belong. There is no enrollment process. This is the center of being, the one being that you are. There is no hierarchy. Minimum, minimum, there are no positions of power of any sort. Everybody is the same here. One being. One cavity. Tai says, 'Yes, thank you to all, incredibly accessible and all-inclusive, much appreciated. The me I am searching for is the one that I am looking as.' The me that I'm searching for is the one that I am looking as. And this is you. Manjushri is here; she says, 'Many thanks to Mooji Ji and you.' Many thanks to you too, my dear.

Jerome is trying to say something but they don't hear you, my dear. Maybe your volume is—no, your mic doesn't work. No, it's unmuted now. Try now. Yes? No, we don't have. So what we do is then we test—one of us can test with you maybe later as well and see. But you can type if you like. You can see something on typing if you like. Very good. Dennis says, 'I've been watching the satsangs for more than a month now, most of the days, and I'm very grateful.' I know many of you will join, and the reason that it was yet to come and share or come in the hangout, and that's completely fine. But I'm very grateful for your presence as well. Maybe we hear some from something from all of you today, a little bit, if anyone feels to share. You can come up.

Initially, when the satsang started, I was a little bit—probably a lot of my mind and ego was there. Probably that's why. I'm just trying to be very open today. It's a very strong energy against you, that you are not sitting on me. There's a lot of attention, specialness energy also coming up. I want to expose with all this. There's a lot of pull and push energy going on inside the past two, three days rather. I don't know what I'm doing, whether I'm right, on the right track, I'm not. Also a lot of things against you, that, 'Okay, we are not, you know, you are not helping me get out of this spiritually or the person's identity.' The mind is coming up and selling everything: 'You're not going anywhere. All others are getting it, you're not getting it. Father is not helping you. You're not even—you'll be ignored. Why do you want to go? Don't attend the thoughts.' All these things are coming up. And this even also it says, 'Okay, if you go, then what about then? You'll be completely gone forever.' And all these things, you know, all these things that come, and the fear is good. Then I was like, 'Okay, I'm not going to leave satsang no matter what happens.' All these things are coming up. I couldn't concentrate, Father. I just couldn't concentrate anything. Take care. That's all. I tried for some time. I don't know why, but I cried for sometimes and it was telling like, 'Okay, I'm at your feet, Father. I can't survive in front of you. You do whatever you want. I'm—I don't even want to surrender. I can't even surrender. I don't know anything. I've given up. I'm at your feet now. Do anything.' That's how it came up. All these things are going on, Father. I don't know. And then when you were talking to someone there who's sitting like a person, even I was thinking, 'Oh, this is awareness is a fake. I'm looking for something.' And then suddenly you said, 'Are you aware now?' I'm like, I'm scared. I was just checking myself here too. Am I aware now? So that's it. That's it.

It's that. That is it. You know, you don't have to—awareness is not a state. Are you aware now? That is awareness. So when that is like awareness is aware of itself, that's it. There's nothing to do. But then until there is—then the mind comes and says, 'Okay, is that all? Is it that simple?' And then like, 'Really? I don't think so. This is fine.' All these things are coming. 'I'm sure you didn't get it. This cannot be so simple.' Then that's the thing. 'No, no, I'm still here. This is not so easy.' You know, because all it's saying, Father, all good things. Thank you, thank you, Father.

So very nice. She says that strong resistance was coming like this: 'He's ignoring me. He's not listening to me. Everybody else seems to get it. He's not helping me.' This kind of resistance can come. And the mind is such a sneaky thing, so it will come up with all of this. And then there was something we said, 'No, come watch me. I will be in satsang.' And coming to satsang, all this frustration also can come, irritation can come. But something in the satsang sometimes just clicks, you see? You come and, like he was saying earlier, that 'I want to be in the state of awareness,' and we said awareness is not a state. And when the words were said, something opened. Awareness is not a state. It's not something that I have to find somewhere. Are you aware now? This is awareness. Every time you ask, 'Am I aware now?' you will see that awareness is here. And if you were to check, 'Is there any distance, any separation between me and this awareness?' you cannot show me any difference or any distance. All distance must only be imagined.

And then she says that the mind plays the same trump card again. The trump card that, 'Oh, is it like this? Is it this simple? Can it just be this? There's nothing here.' So through this time where the mind is saying all of this, you must continue to hold my hand, you see? So when there's this feeling that 'I got it,' don't give in to these feelings. So when the mind says, 'Who is this it?' then it doesn't mean anything because there's nothing that you've got. You have always been this. And if you let go of this mind during these times, if you don't give it your belief, you will find the magnificence of what you are in its supreme simplicity. It's extremely magnificent and it's not a contradiction. You are that which cannot be burnt, it cannot be hurt. The comings and goings of the universe and the universes don't make a difference to you. But the mind says, 'But where are the feelings that were supposed to come with this? Where is the joy? Where is the bliss?' And it is not awareness which is asking for any state; it is again the personal mind. And you say, 'Whatever, Father, you want to do, you do. I just want to be free,' isn't it?

So today I will ask you for a gift. You give me this 'I' that wants to be free. You just give it to me. Let this 'I' be my problem. And I must tell you that many of you give this gift to me and then take it back. Okay? You give this gift to me and then you take it back. No return policy. And let all rules, all events, let everything happen through me. Don't pick up the feeling that, 'At least for this I need the mind, I need the ego,' no matter what it might be. Because when you take it like that, then you take it back, you see? You pretend to become the person again. And you stop taking your temperature whether it is free or not; it is now my problem. So you give me this gift and then all that is auspicious will reveal itself because you already are that. Jerome says, 'As you say, the first time and only one time that we met Mooji Ji in London several, several years ago, at the end of the satsang he came down the stage and went directly to Sonia to give and put on her neck one of his beautiful malas. He felt like one family.' Very good. Yes. Ah, very nice. Yes, yes. Wow, look at that. Very nice. Yes, one family and our beloved Father. And she says, 'Please keep it always.' Aparna says, 'Everything is at your feet, even this eye too.' So this is: I place the 'I' at both your feet and give you both the keys as well. I place the 'I' at your feet and give you both the keys. Thank you, Claire. Thank you so much.

And Bhagavati Ji says, 'May I speak, Father?' You can speak. Namaste. Can you hear me? Yes, very well. Oh, very good. I have to speak a little quietly because I'm in a Buddhist meditation center, but it's a decent hour now so everyone's up. I just wanted to say I've arrived here. I've been away from this place for maybe fifteen months, something like this, since I saw everyone here. Nemaya and I have lived here a few times in the past, usually by accident. And here, since I arrived here, it feels so different. Everything feels so different right now. Just unlimited joy, just just unlimited. Wherever I go, I'm unlimited. And here, everyone here has been recognizing a big change in me, and I'm just smiling because nothing has actually changed. What has changed is that I don't believe in my thoughts. Yes, and it's as simple as this. And here there are many people who spend many hours, many, many hours and days meditating and doing sadhana and practices. And I was one of these beings also, and I join them sometimes. But the real key, the thing that they're noticing the difference, it happens like this. It's moment by moment. It's just—it's not believing the thoughts. And this is why our physical appearance changes, and it's why our presence in the world changes, and it's why how we walk in the world changes, and it's why people come towards us differently. And it's so very clear. And I can only say thank you because there is no magic trick to this. Yes, exactly.

As one of these beings also, and I joined them sometimes, but the real key, the thing that they're noticing the difference—it happens like this: it's moment by moment. It's just not believing the thoughts. And this is why our physical appearance changes, and it's why our presence in the world changes, and it's why how we walk in the world changes, and it's why people come towards us differently. And it's so very clear, and I can only say thank you because there is no magic trick to this.

Yes, exactly.

It's as simple as listening to you and following your pointing. It's as simple as this. And I just wish for everyone who hears your words to just get that point: that it really is that simple. And it's not something we have to do in the future, and it's not something we have to try so hard to do. It's just this moment by moment, thought by thought—just forget about them. Just have no interest. I have no interest in thoughts. Oh, they're rubbish, such rubbish. So much joy without that, without chasing thoughts, without listening to them, without projecting futures, without digging around in the past. None of it's needed. It feels so incredibly light. I feel like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders through this. But I also understand that it's not permanent, that it's not like some permanent change that happens to one. It literally is just now, now, now, now, now. And thank you, just thank you. Such a beautiful week. I can only thank you.

May the Master's presence, the Satguru's presence, which is in your heart, bless all those who are with you in the center which you are. And may they find great peace and joy in your presence.

I just must say I love you before I go. Thank you.

Shivam says, 'Pranam Father. Thoughts are increased because of the increased responsibility of a new job. Sometimes few of them get some belief, but I'll quickly let go of them. Sincerely pray that you save me from the sense of any doership. Never let my arrogance creep in.' None of you, actually—I feel it is impossible, and yet it's very good that you make this prayer. This is the pure openness in your heart. So let me feel that none of you will ever be arrogant. Hope can never become arrogant. You stay vigilant like this; it's very good. Amrita says, 'As simple as that.' Shivam says, 'Thank you Father.' Hugs back to you too.

It's very beautiful what Bhagavati said just now: 'Now, now, now, now. Nothing, nothing, nothing, now, now.' Maybe at some point after the year, we'll just become like this: 'Nothing, now, now, nothing, now, now, nothing.' And as all of you are maturing in this, just these simple 'nothings'—just to say 'nothing' will be enough. Just to say 'now' is enough. And then for most of you, nothing to be said also. Look for yourself.

Valentina says, 'Namaste Father. I found out last night that my mom has a tumor in her nose. We don't know yet if it is cancerous or not, but we'll find out in a few days. So many dark thoughts were coming: fear, crying. But there is space even for these to come. Even during this, I am watching untouched.' Look at that. It's very good. That's why even yesterday I was saying that you in satsang, make use of this opportunity to discover what I am saying. And I'm telling you exactly how I see it, with no sense of specialness, with nothing. So all you have to do is just clarify to yourself: is it not the same way as I see it? And any point of differentiation, you can come and expose or you can come and share. Make this discovery. Come to the scene now. Be open enough to see this.

If there's a sense that you are a separate one, then if there is something for you to do, then do this: make the choice to be in satsang and to be open. And in this openness itself, you will completely realize that all of this was being done by Grace itself. It never was a 'me'. All kinds of events are coming up, but now all of you are wearing this armor and you're coming to this realization that what you are is just a witness of all of this. Nothing has ever happened to you, and therefore nothing is ever happening to the ones that you love also. All is this one being. It's right that the mind uses these as opportunities, and then what we say 'dark thoughts' can come, fearful thoughts can come, angry thoughts can come, and most importantly, victim thoughts can come: 'Why me? Why does it happen in my life? Just when something was getting clear, now this happened.' But now you are settling into your reality, and this world of appearances—sometimes it can seem like it is strong, but mostly it is allowed to just come and go the way it wants to.

And then you say, 'It's not joyful or easy, but there is still peace.' Yes, this is good. In this way, you find the real peace which is not a state. You make this discovery about what you are: the untouched one. Being untouched is the greatest peace. So even though externally it might not seem like the joy or there's peace or there's love—not like a state—and yet all the states are allowed to come and go. Give my love to your mother and tell her that she is in my heart, which is his heart. She's in the Satguru's heart. And may all of these events also give her the momentum, the spiritual fire, to come to the discovery of what she is. Come to the discovery that she is that which is beyond all of this play of appearances. So much love to both of you, my dear.

And then Florentina said, 'Father, I know this is a blessed opportunity for deep resting for us both.' Yes. 'I wouldn't have invited it myself.' Yes, we never do. Your life knows best. 'But I welcome it now.' Very beautiful. Khan says, 'When Bhagavati was talking, something was happening. Started to cry. Something loosening up. Love you Father, love you all.' Very good. This is the power of this beautiful presence of the Sangha also.

Please, my dad may attend the in-person satsang tomorrow. He doesn't know that my name is Bhagavati. Okay, so you have to remind me what it was before this, my dear, because I have no idea. Yes, yes, so I'll refer to you as Bhavani. It won't get you in trouble, don't worry. No, you say it doesn't matter. Okay, yes. But there'll be enough for him to deal with in the first satsang; let's not give him more things to deal with. It's okay, because I know that for parents it can be quite a strong thing. This name thing can be quite a strong thing. My parents still, you know, they refuse to call me Ananta. They still call me Tapan. They never call me Ananta. Only when they're making fun of me they call me Ananta.

Florentina says, 'Father, I have to go. Born also grateful for this opportunity to check in. Love you, love you, love you.' And all of us, we love you too, my dear. Thank you for coming in. So my mother, for example, for many years, you know, for many years she would keep saying—only now she's stopped—she would keep saying that, 'Yes, yes, you do all of this, all of this is fine, but eventually you will come to my path.' Yes, it is so. She's been into another spiritual movement for many, many years. She's the one I used to tease when I was an atheist, and I used to tease her and say that, 'You keep going to your satsangs, the so-called thing of yours, what's the point?' And she used to keep saying, 'One day you will also find something in this satsang thing.' And when something started with Mooji Ji, she kept saying that, 'You know, yes, all this is good, but I know eventually you will come to my path.' I know it can be quite something for parents.

Because he says, 'My father thought I had become a Hindu because he Googled my name and found Bhagavati, the Hindu goddess.' I explained it was a good opportunity to share with him, and he knew about your Buddhist name earlier. Oh, it is very good. I've had three spiritual names, Father. He was just getting the hang of his second one when I got this one. He's a bit of a slow adapter.

Very sweet, keep up. Yes, but I was also able to share with him the meaning and value of the names that they gave me at birth also. So, which—the birth name they gave me means 'enlightened man', actually, but we never knew. I only discovered later. So it gives us an opportunity to talk about truth.

Carol. Carol means 'enlightened man'. Yeah, okay. So this was the first birth name. And then the next name was Johnson, 'holder of Dharma'. That name means yes, which was given by the guru of the Buddhist organization where I am staying there. So I still do exist quietly. I never kind of adopted it publicly; it's a lay name. And then Ando was a name that I took myself, but that my Zen master decided to give to me when he granted a name. He gave me the name that I'd already adopted somehow, which meant 'peaceful way'. And then Guruji just frightened the living daylights out of me by giving me a name last year. And I remember just thinking, 'Why did I ask for a name? Why, why did I?' And then it just dissolves you, you know? These names, they just dissolved me. And now I realize none of these names are me. They're just names. They're just labels that were used to refer. But it's very light. It's very light. Even this name, it's just a pointer when we refer to someone. And it's very beautiful to receive a name from our Master, and it has its own work. But at the same time, we're still nameless. And for family, it's a good opportunity to talk about these things, that it's a way in. Like with my father, it was a way in, because I didn't want him confused that I'd become a Hindu. That was just too complicated for him to be thinking that.

Yeah, sometimes what happens is someone will ask for a name, and then the name ceremony happens and the name is changing, but then it hits them that, 'You know, I'm supposed to tell my parents.' And then they come to me with some fear. So I usually tell them that you tell them something bigger which is happening. You say you went to Bangalore and you got married or something. I was just kidding. I just got myself a name. So then it's okay. Names are just—laughing, Father, because if you say the name you gave me, Amaya, it sounds like 'Am I a...?' It turns out to be two natural inquiry questions that always come here: 'Am I a person?' or 'Am I aware?' Now, it's very nice. Am I a person?

My mother says, 'I changed one letter in the spelling of my name when I was a child, and my dad could not even accept that. And my mom struggles to even think of my name.' Thank you. It's very good, Satan, for them. 'I changed my name as a young person, and my dad stopped speaking to me for three months. He is used to this name now. He should be used to it, but now there's no ground for him to stand on with names in you.' And this is love itself. It is the attachment which makes them resist, but it is the love which leads to the acceptance. So we have a song now.

Unless you want to, you can. Yes, yes. Bhagavati says, 'I can't sing here.' Well, we'll get them there, don't worry. Claire can sing very good. Yes, yes.

So much love to all of you. Thank you, Claire, for moderating. We can turn the broadcast off now, my dear.