May all our heads never move an inch away from my Father's feet - 11 May 2015

Sound—the sound is not good. No, the signal keeps coming and going. I'm speaking, so people say I'm speaking normally. Let me reconnect maybe. So I was speaking with my mute on. I was saying I'm sorry for the interruption, but sometimes if Father jumps out and rejoins, it improves his sound. So sorry for the interruption. I'm sure it will improve when he comes in. That looks better. I was going to say your picture also looks better now.

I was in the wrong Wi-Fi network all this while. Okay, thank you for that. No, thank you for telling me. I was just not sure whether the mouth here is stuttering or whether the internet is bad. David says neither was I, that's why I had to check with Anandi whether I'm speaking normally or there's something going on. And I'm hoping that it was at least partly clear, at least the words were partly clear, but the seeing was completely clear.

The short version basically is this: there is the big 'A' Awareness and there are the small 'a' appearances. If you were to look, you will find no distance between yourself and awareness, and yet all these appearances will come and go. You remain untouched. Yet as Consciousness, you have been given this power of belief. You have given yourself this power of belief, and the power of belief is only the power to pretend. So for much too long, we have been pretending that we are separate, that we are individuals, that we are people. And all that is needed for the pretense to stop is just a simple looking: Who am I? So if any of you wants to say what is it that you find when you ask "Who am I?" that is different from what I said, then it is a very welcome conversation for us to have.

So let's speak about what you see. Let's not speak about what you think or what you know or what you feel. See, because if you get lost in the content of thought, the content of knowledge which is from the past, and the content of some feeling or some sensation, then it is just a distraction. Tell me what you see when you ask "Who am I?" And even if you say, "I see nothing," you are aware also of this nothing, of this blank. You are aware of the thought and the space between the thoughts. You are not coming and going as thoughts are coming. So this much must be completely clear: that I am the witness of all of these comings and goings. And once you see that I am the witness and you start checking for yourself, you will realize that I'm not even a witness entity; I'm just the witnessing itself. That there is no seer here; there is only the seeing itself. See? And this seeing then takes us away from the pretense of being an object, being an entity. Then you see that I am not a noun; I'm more like a verb. Not even a verb, actually.

I'm looking at Shivani's expression to see if she's laughing at me and my pronunciation of 'verb'. When I say 'verb', how do you hear it? Let's hear. What was that? How do you hear it? Yeah, how do you hear it when I say 'verb'?

Word. Word. I was trying not to laugh. I know, I was looking at your... not to... simple.

You see that I'm not an entity. And here, if you give it to the mind, the mind will say, "What is this? I see nothing," because the mind can only relate to entities. The mind cannot relate to you, which is non-phenomenal, because the mind itself is a bundle of thoughts. It in itself and its root is phenomenal. If Consciousness is the primal phenomena, then all that comes from Consciousness must be then phenomenal. So how can that which is phenomenal really understand the non-phenomenal? We should find some easier words for phenomenal and non-phenomenal because I get the sense when I start using these words there is some switching off that happens somewhere.

What I'm saying is that all of this is basically worldly. See, worldly—just a play of energy, be it thoughts, be it emotions, be it sensations in the body, be it outside. All of this is just some energetic movement which is present in the presence of Consciousness. So how can this energetic movement know about something which is not energetic? All it knows is this energetic play. So for the mind to discover what you are is impossible. Therefore, there is no such thing as a liberated person. There is no free mind. Liberation itself is freedom from the idea of the person; it is freedom from belief in the interpretations of the mind. You see?

So use all the satsangs that you're in as opportunities to experiment like this. And you will notice that many times we take the words which are heard in satsang and we give it to the mind to judge and say, "Hello friend, what do you think about this? What is being spoken in satsang?" How will the mind tell you? And then it starts; the mind will start judging something. "Oh, this one, he's like this. This one speaks like this." Forget about all that. Just the simple pointing: Who am I? Who is the witness of all of this energetic play? And very simply you can see that I am the witness. And then I ask you: Is this witness also an entity? Does this witness also exist as a separate witness, or is it just the witnessing that is here, just the awareness that is here? What do you see? What do you see is the most important for me, not what do you think, what do you feel, what do you know. So what do you see right now?

And Bhakti said, "Good morning, beloved. Joining satsang from Shri Mooji's London home." Mooji satsang Bhavan. Very happy to have all of you. I know that many of you have been with us even earlier, but good to see you together, collected like this. And all of you are so blessed to be in Guruji's house. So blessed.

Good morning, Father. Good morning, my dear. I can't hear you very well. Can you not hear very well? No, now it's better. Yes, okay. I'll put it close. I'm just... I've put the microphone on because there's a shy bunch here.

Not from what I know of them. Has become shy? You met many years ago, actually. It's been quite a while, hasn't it?

I'm like, oh my God, it's so easy to be put on fire. Thank you for coming into this house, Father.

Oh, always, always. It is my joy to be anywhere close to that house. You're right in the middle of it now, here, right here. You know, I promised Guruji many times that I will come to the London house, just like I promised many times that I will come to Sahaja, and both have never happened. Today at least seems like one of those promises is coming true.

I'll take a photo for him. Yes, I'll show him a photo of you in his house next week. And also we wanted to bring all the sangha here.

Yes, that'll be wonderful. Wonderful. Yes, we're coming one by one. It's a beautiful pilgrimage for all the sangha members to come there.

Yes, it's worth the journey. Thank you, Father. Thank you so much, my dear.

So, so happy to see all of you. We love you, sir. You're hearing Guruji's house so often. Yeah, typed something which is very long. Do you want to say it, or you want someone else to read for you? Because I have this bit of a toothache which is not very comfortable.

I can read, Father, if it's clear. Yes, yes. I don't know... since last four... I'll just read it, Father.

Coming one by one, it's a beautiful pilgrimage for all the Sangha members to come there. Yes, it's worth the journey. Thank you, Father. Thank you so much, my dear. So, so happy to see all of you. We love you, sir. You're hearing G's house so often. Yeah, you typed something which is very long. You want to say it, dear, or you want someone else to read for you? Because I have this bit of a toothache which is not very comfortable.

I can read, Father, if it's clear. Yes, yes. I don't know, since last four... I'll just read it, Father. I don't know, this doesn't work. I want to share the report that for the last four days, you know, like some sense of burden has off my shoulders now. Since the day I have surrendered myself completely at your feet, any thoughts and feelings, anything that comes up, it doesn't make... you know, this always checks and says, 'Okay, I'm not this, I'm not this, I'm not this.' Even though it's a little continuous, but it doesn't matter, it's still doing it. Sometimes it's tiring, but when there is no energy, it doesn't; when there is energy, it does it.

And I don't know what, Father, then Saturday the satsang you said not to believe. Before, I had a kind of neutrality about not to believe the next thought, you know? I always was like, 'Okay, I didn't really give that much of effort to do it.' But since then, the effort to not to believe your next thought worked. And then since then, I'm like, anything that kind of thing, I don't believe. It's just a relief immediately, instantaneously. That moment itself, I'm like, I feel, oh, there's nothing. But definitely there's something going on, Father. I don't know what, but constantly the checking is there and there is clarity coming a little bit here and there.

It's not that I'm doing some meditation or anything, but somehow something is working from inside and the clarity is there. And I don't even feel that I'm doing this. I don't even feel that I'm doing this; it's just going on automatically. And I don't know, I've started falling in love with you, Father. The moment I see your face, I just want to see your face and not anything. And I start crying and I don't know, I don't know what is happening with me, Father. I just wanted to share this, but definitely something genuine is going on inside. I can feel that.

Even today morning, I didn't want to ask anything. I didn't want to ask for anything. I just told, 'Please take me with you.' That's all I was just telling when I was praying to God. And anything that comes up, I know I'm not all this. I would say I have clearly seen it, but definitely it's thoughts and feelings and emotions, anything which is coming up, it's not me. But I've not seen clearly still that... okay, I know I'm awareness, that is there. I'm not expecting a state or anything, but that clear thing, I still haven't seen it. But definitely not thoughts and feelings. I'm not the content of the thought, not the thoughts or emotions or feelings, anything. This much clarity is there and I'm really grateful for what is happening. I can't say how much grateful I am all these things is happening. I'm really happy about it. I don't know, Father, where I'm going, how I'm going, but at your feet, Father.

Thank you, my dear. Very good, very good. You said a few things which I want to elaborate on a little bit. Maybe you can mute because there's some disturbance here. So you said that it just seems like I'm falling in love with you every time I see you, I just want to be there. This love is arising for your own presence, you see? And as you're coming to this presence which is speaking through this mouth, which is your own heart, you'll find that so much love is in service to this presence. And soon you will discover that this love, which most of us are clamoring for, is a servant. It is there in service to you, you see? To your unassociated being.

The unassociated being is the one that is not pretending to be a person. It's just being. And then, like my Master says, you will discover that there's too much love, too much peace, too much joy. This is the movement from the head to the heart. Because I know that in your case, there's a lot of understanding because you've been listening carefully. There's a lot of understanding, and now you're tasting for yourself the truths. So don't even believe the thought that 'I haven't seen it yet.' You are the seeing itself. You are the seeing itself. And when I ask you, 'Are you aware now?' you will say, 'Yes.' This is awareness being aware of itself. There is no other seeing which needs to happen.

All the other seeing, all the other fireworks, if they happen, are just the side show, you see? Just the side show. The truth is in this question: Am I aware now? This clear, simple knowing, the simple seeing, is awareness being aware of itself. No other seeing is required. Yes, sometimes nice byproducts will come, that the mind seems to go away for a while, the sense of separation might vanish, but even this doesn't need to happen because you are always only this awareness itself. So you stay with this.

Very often what happens with many of you is that I say, 'Don't believe your next thought,' and something there will come and resist it and say, 'But that's a doing, that's effort, that's practice.' Actually, the effort is in believing the next thought. It's like a smoker who's so addicted to smoking, and when I say, 'Just don't pick it up, don't pick up the next smoke or the next joint or whatever,' then you say, 'But that's effort.' And it seems like that initially because the habit, the addiction, is to pick up the thought. But is it actually effort, or is it the dropping of effort? So in this dropping of effort, initially it can seem like it is a lot of initial struggle, but actually it is coming to your effortless, natural, unassociated being.

Awareness never had any problem with anything. Even if being is completely associated and pretending to be a person, awareness is not concerned. Therefore, all of satsang is just the rehab for this being, done by being itself, you see? It is being that is addicted to the thoughts of personhood, and you are in this rehab. Many times it can happen that a thought will come that, 'Yes, I have understood.' The thought itself will come and say, 'Yes, I have understood.' And if you believe this also, then the idea that there's a personal understanding will remain. So this is not about any personal understanding also. No person has ever understood. That is all that is happening here.

So this de-addiction center is the de-addiction center from thought. There are many, many rehabs in the world, many de-addiction centers in the world, you see? But most of them are focused on not giving attention to thought. It seems like too much work, too much trouble for me, because this attention is like this monkey that jumps around all the time. And there are very few which are focused on this: just don't believe it. So let attention also go completely free, because in trying to control your attention, there seems to be a lot of tiredness, a lot of frustration. So let your attention also be completely free, be completely open.

What is openness? You see, there are levels of openness. One is the openness to be wrong. Openness that I have been wrong. That's the most troublesome, you see? We're so used to wanting to be right, and it's very primal in a sense. And this wanting to be right is trying to prove that I can make it as a person; as a person, I can become God. Usually, it is found that suffering is required to make you open to being wrong. Usually, not always. Usually, it is required that suffering has to come. It makes us open to the idea that I might have been wrong.

Can you, Father, can you please explain more about being open to wrong? Sorry, I didn't understand.

I'm explaining that. So what has happened is that for a long, long time, we have believed ourselves to be a separate entity called the person. And then because so much belief, so much nutrition has gone into this identity, it has been nourished, you see? Even if tomorrow you were to say that, 'I'm going to spend ten days and build a nice sculpture, something for myself, a painting,' you see, and if your daughter comes and she breaks it, doesn't it hurt? It hurts because you put effort into it. So for so many years, we put this belief into this concept of personhood, that 'I am a person and I must make it, I will do it, I won't give up.' All this is the mantra of the ego, isn't it?

So we've believed all of this for so long that so much investment has gone into it. Why is then satsang so unattractive? Why is Advaita so unattractive? Because immediately when you come into satsang, you are told all this is rubbish, you were never a person, you see? So do you have this openness that this could be true? Could it be true that I have never been a person? This is very rare, you see, in the world. So among the close to seven billion people, how many are even open to a conversation like this? You see, they're so clear: 'I cannot be wrong about this, I'm a person.' And this refusal to be wrong, you can see in most relationships, you see? Most arguments, most issues are why? Because 'I know I am right and he is wrong.' We're never open to the idea that it could be the other way around. And most of our personal relationships are also reflecting this.

So this openness that 'I was wrong' is the first level. And if this openness is there, very, very quickly you will discover the truth. Because this openness to just exploring, 'Am I really a person? Was I wrong all this time? For I don't know how many lifetimes, was I wrong? I was never this person.' If this kind of contemplation appeals to you, then there is no hope for the ego, you see? There is no hope for the ego because what you will discover is that I never existed as a person. The ego was never real. So this is one level of openness.

The second level is when we're completely open right now, which means that we are not resisting anything which is coming and going. All external appearances are allowed, all internal appearances are also allowed. This is openness as the Zen Masters have also described it, and they said, 'Leave your front door and the back door open and let everything come and go, just don't serve it tea.' This is the second level of openness. You're not resisting life, you're not resisting thought, you're not resisting emotion. And when you're open like this, then the ego cannot survive because the ego... another word for ego is resistance, you see? The resistance to what is.

So mostly it is needed that the first openness is there, and open to being wrong about my ideas about myself, and then you will come to this deeper effortless openness. Just everything is allowed to come and go. Attention is also allowed to roam freely. No effort to give your belief to anything at all. This is the simple end of suffering. Suffering also means resistance. Ego also means resistance. And what is resisting? It is the content of the thought which is always resisting what is. But the content itself doesn't have power; it gets power through your belief. Very good.

Parvati says, 'Father, would you like me to pick the questions out of YouTube comments and post here so you don't have to read the whole YouTube chat?' Yes, that would be good. In fact, even better would be if you could read them out. Are there any questions today? I don't see... or is my YouTube chat not moving? I have one, two, three, four, five... oh wow, okay. So that means my YouTube chat is stuck also. Maybe you can start reading the... could read... I'll read the first one. Questions out of YouTube comments... my YouTube... and there was an echo from... so the first one is from Tom Baller and he asks, 'Hi Ananta, when I see other people, I feel more of a pull toward a contracted state of being. The outward appearance of other beings reminds me of personhood. How can this be prevented?'

Yeah, that's why actually I've kept it very simple for you. I've kept it very, very simple. So it is not about any outward appearance, it is not about any inward appearance also. So it can seem like this person triggers me, or it can seem like some emotion triggers me, or this person triggers some emotion and which is the problem. So I want to tell you that none of this is the problem if you're not buying what the interpreter is saying about this. So even if anyone can come in front of you, if you're not believing what the mind...

I've kept it very simple for you. I've kept it very, very simple. So it is not about any outward appearance; it is not about any inward appearance also. So it can seem like this person triggers me, or it can seem like some emotion triggers me, or this person triggers some emotion and which is the problem. So I want to tell you that none of this is the problem if you're not buying what the interpreter is saying about this. So even if anyone can come in front of you, if you're not believing what the mind is saying, then it is not a problem. Even if the strongest sensations come in the body, which seem the most uncomfortable, unless you are buying a thought about it, buying a concept about it, it is not a problem, you see.

So the mind will try to make it complex. It'll say, 'Yes, thoughts I understand now, but what to do with emotion? What to do with this person who seems to exist in my world?' Actually, look back again at your thought. It is again the thought itself which is resisting this, and it is saying that this person is triggering something, this emotion should not come. You will always find that it is in the belief of some concept that the suffering comes. Otherwise, you will discover that you are the infinite space in which all outward appearances and all inward appearances are allowed. Nothing else is resisting. Nothing else is resisting. It is only the thought, this interpreter, this false one, which comes and says, 'Oh, this should not happen. This should not come.' You are the infinite space. Infinite space—why will you get affected by any appearance?

So the only resistance is through the belief in thought. A contracted state of being actually is also a fallacy, but I know that it can seem contracted when we are in the state of resisting something. And resistance only comes through belief and thought. Even a resistive sensation can be there, which can be allowed. So if something is resisting strongly, even the body is vibrating, even that is no trouble for you. You, as the infinite space, are not touched by this. Only when you say, 'This should not happen like this,' or 'This means I'm not free,' or 'Look at what happened, I've become contracted'—any of these thoughts is what causes the trouble. That's why I say that just this simple pointing, 'Don't believe the next thought,' is the end of suffering. I do not say that it is the end of pain, but it is the end of suffering. You cannot suffer without believing a thought. Very good. Thank you, my dear. Is there another one?

Yes, I have two from Suchitra, who logs into this account which is a Father's account. Oh, okay. Um, the first one is: 'I had an explosion of jealousy two days ago and the energy was overwhelming. I feel drained and humbled. Why do these attacks happen and why am I not able to let go in peace in that very moment? These are always about my own inferior spiritual worth.'

No matter what the attack seems to be, you are aware of it. And as awareness, you are untouched by all of this. So don't let any event, any appearance, convince you that you are a person again. And if you are convinced that you are a person again, can you show me this person? What does it look like? Where does it live? The body is not feeling jealous. The body does not have the tools to compare. It is the person which is saying, 'Oh, this one is better than me. I am inferior, they are superior.' This is still the imagined one. It is like the dream character which says that the other dream character is better than me. Don't cater to this one anymore.

How not to cater? Forget about past, forget about future. See what is here now and don't take your mind's word for what is here now. What is the meaning of 'Don't believe your next thought'? What is the meaning of 'Don't believe your next thought' is only that we see that the past is all gone; it's all made up, imagined. The future is also imagination. The now is here now. It's clear, simple like this. But just some monkey thought will come and we decide to go along with it again. That's why we say don't go along with the next thought and show me what is here now.

So forget about that moment. You tell me what is here in this moment. And all appearances might be here: the emotion of jealousy, Mr. Jealousy, Mr. Anger, Mr. Rage, Mr. Peace, Mr. Love, Mr. Bliss—all these can be visitors. And I'm not being male chauvinistic; it can be Mrs. Anger, Mrs. Rage, Mrs. whatever. They can be here, but are you touched by them? Is awareness affected by it? Is the seeing that this is here—is the seeing also touched by it? You will find that you are not. And you say about 'my own inferior spiritual worth'—this person is worthless, completely worthless. And if you're bothered about the spiritual worth of the non-existent entity, then what can we speak about that? Just forget about it.

The whole attempt has been to give some worth to an imagined entity, to make a dream character worth something. So you get out of this idea. When you discover the worthlessness of what you have believed yourself to be, you will discover the true worth of the Supreme Lord that you are. But if you're still trying to make the dream character worthy, the imagined one worthy, then it's a losing battle. How can that which is just a daydream be ever worth anything? Even in this realm, even in this phenomenal realm, a daydream is never worth anything at all. And the person is only your daydream. Okay, let's look at the next question.

The next question is also from her and it says: 'How can one be certain that intelligence and awareness lies with me and not with the body, breath, or sensations? U.G. I think she means Krishnamurti said that the body has an unbelievable intelligence of its own until one undergoes physical death experience.' Thank you, Namaste. And then she adds that you must chew some cloves for your toothache.

What you do? She adds that you must chew cloves. Cloves, okay. How can we be sure that this intelligence, the Supreme intelligence, is from me and not from this body? This body or any body which appears in the waking or dream states—which body are you referring to? You can have many, many bodies in one 24-hour period. It can seem like you went through many, many bodies. Right now you can have a dream or a daydream of another body and you give it enough belief, you give it enough attention, it will seem very real, see. So can it be that this one which is here only in the presence of your being, can that be the source of all intelligence?

You have a dream tonight. There is a body which seems just as real as this. Where is the intelligence coming from? Is it from that body which is separate from the rest of your dream? So the rest of your dream is unintelligent and only this body is where the intelligence is coming from? Or is it that this entire realm, this entire play, is a projection of the Supreme intelligence of Consciousness? Yes, it would not be wrong to say that the way the body functions, it exhibits a lot of intelligence because with all of human technology, we cannot replicate even one percent of the human body, see. So there is deep intelligence in this, but it is not intelligence which has been created within the body.

A baby is born with it. When the baby is conceived, it already has the root of this intelligence. Even on this realm, we're talking about this realm phenomenally now. So you see that when the next generation arrives, it has a mixture of whatever evolution needed to happen for the parents. Which is the intelligence which keeps track of this? Was it the mother's body or the father's body that decided that the next generation will have this kind of an evolution, will have a bigger head? In this realm, you will see that all of this intelligence is coming from Consciousness itself.

Who was the intelligence that decided that this will be the speed of light, which is constant? Which is the intelligence that decided that the structure of an atom will consist of electrons, protons, and neutrons? Which committees sat and decided on all of these things? Which bodies got together and said that this is how the heart will beat and this is how the digestive system will function? So there must be a deeper Supreme intelligence which is guiding all of this: the force of electricity, gravity, evaporation. You know, even in this realm, again I'm saying that we are talking phenomenally, in this realm there is a very deep intelligence which is at work.

So the same intelligence which is running this entire universe with trillions of planets is running this body also. What can be inherent in the body just that it is an instrument which is working for the same Supreme intelligence? So although a lot of intelligent functioning happens in the body, we cannot say that the body is inherently intelligent because that would presume a level of sentience to the body itself which is not possible. Okay.

The next one is from Sukhbeer and it was about the meditation you did in the beginning. It says: 'Beloved Father, the question arose during the meditation: who are these pointings actually for? What is being pointed back to awareness?'

This is very good and we've looked at this a few times. So when this kind of question comes, I say: who is here? What are the options? Let's make this a multiple choice question. So let's say, who is the pointings for? It must be for something which is here. So what is here? We've seen that the person is imagined; the person is not here. So can it be for the person? Why? If it is imagined, then there is nothing here for the person. Then what is here? We cannot deny that the presence of being is here. Can you stop being? So this is just being playing with being. It's being communing with being. And we see that the seeing is uninterested in any of this play, and yet this play continues. Therefore I say that Satsang or any interaction is actually only between Consciousness itself. And it is Consciousness itself which will come and say, 'But why is Consciousness behaving like this?' It's all this play of Consciousness itself. What other option is there? Can the seeing actually participate actively in this phenomenal play? All is Consciousness which is communing with itself. Is there another one?

The next one is from Stina. It says: 'I still give much belief to certain thoughts regarding my body health. There is the fear of not healing without researching and thus using my mind. Knowing that even enlightened people have cancer or diabetes is even reinforcing the importance of using the mind.'

Yes. So as long as first it is clear that I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am this pure awareness which is aware of all of this movement, then the one that is doing the research also, you will not be able to place that one as a person, see. Do you say that 'I am doing all this researching'? But actually you are not. You're just watching all of this researching taking place ultimately. So if the researching is happening, that is also part of this play of Consciousness and there's nothing wrong with that. If your car is broken down and you need to look up on the internet, 'How can I fix it? What is wrong with it?' as long as you are not confusing the car to be you, how can there be any trouble in all of this? The only trouble comes from the identification of 'me' as an appearance because all appearances are just coming and going, see. So when you identify yourself to be just another appearance, that is when this misidentification and suffering can come. Otherwise, the normal flow of life can continue.

Next there is a comment from Kanan who says: 'Namaste. Just as I put on YouTube, you were exactly guiding and clarifying my need.' Then the next question is from Trupti. She says: 'During the inquiry Who Am I, I could see that there is a seeing from the Consciousness connected to this body-mind. This seeing was pure joy. All this is happening in something that is beyond awareness. This is also seen now. It seems that this is only an intellectual seeing and understanding. Can you speak about it please?'

So you say very beautifully that the phenomenal seeing, which seems to be happening through the body, through the senses, is also I am aware of. I am the awareness which is aware of the phenomenon.

Inquiring 'Who am I?' I could see that there is a seeing from the Consciousness connected to this body-mind. This seeing was pure joy. All this is happening in something that is beyond awareness; this is also seen now. It seems that this is only an intellectual seeing and understanding. Can you speak about it, please?

So you say very beautifully that the phenomenal seeing, which seems to be happening through the body, through the senses, is also—I am aware of. I am the awareness which is aware of the phenomenal seeing as well. And this is very beautiful. This is what you see. Did you have to utilize any knowledge? Did you use your intellect to come to this conclusion? No. This is what you saw when you asked yourself that. I am that which is aware even of this phenomenal process of seeing. I am the Primal seeing even of this phenomenal scene. You cannot have come to this conclusion just by using your mind. It is now the mind which says, 'Oh, but this is just an intellectual understanding.' This cannot be easy because you saw that this is the truth. When you check now, you will see the same. This interpreter will always, always create some confusion, try to create some diversion, or try to keep you deluded in some way.

That's why I say often that you have believed that the sun is rising from the West. I am saying just check and tell me what you see for yourself. And then you check and you see that the sun is coming from the East. 'I am this pure awareness.' You check and see that this is the case, and then the mind comes and says, 'But is it just an intellectual understanding?' No, this is what you saw. The intellectual understanding was based on the belief of what is not true. Truth needs no intellect. Truth needs no belief. What worth would the truth be if it relied on your belief? If it needed faith? That kind of God, that kind of truth, I would not be interested in. Truth is eternal and it is seen. If it is eternal, it must be here now. So what you see now, what you discover now, is worth more than thousand books. So what you see is not intellectual because you do not use some knowledge for it. Yes, to communicate it, maybe you use some knowledge of the words; that's okay. To report it, you can use the knowledge of the words. But to see, no knowledge from the past was required or needed. Anything else?

Those are all the questions on YouTube. The only thing left is that Satsanga asked to come in the Hangout. Yeah, okay. Okay, you can come.

Namaste. Namaste, my dear. Um, I've been writing down all the thoughts since Saturday that, you know, I seem to have believed. And I realize, or I see, that almost all of them have to do with the body pain. Most other thoughts, even if I believe momentarily, the moment I realize that, it just doesn't have the power. But all the ones that seem to still, I guess, push a button is to do with the body pain. It's like, 'Oh no, you know, this is not going to go away. This hurts too much. I'm never going to get out of this.' All some different variations of that. And so even this morning during the meditation, I can't completely say that awareness or that I am untouched by this. Yeah, I can say for sure I'm aware of the pain and the pain is not aware of me. Somehow that seems clear. And at the same time, it seems I am affected by it.

Yes. Now this 'I' which is affected—you already say that awareness is untouched by it. So can you find this 'I' which is affected by it?

See, I don't know if I can say awareness is untouched by it. I can say I am aware of the pain and the pain is not aware of me. I don't know how I can say that. That seems clear.

It's a very good start. So you say, 'I am aware of pain, pain is not aware of me.' But it's not clear to me whether awareness is untouched by it. So check and see which part of awareness is touched by it. Is it the feet of awareness? Is it the arms? Which part of awareness? In this way, don't believe anything; just check everything. Just check all your concepts and you will find that awareness is not here in this realm at all. The witnessing is just witnessing, and this realm is appearing inside it. How can one that has no attributes, that which we can say nothing about, how can that be affected by any pain?

So this resist—even this resistance to it can be here, because that's...

Yes, yes, yes. So first let's start by not resisting the resistance. Let the phenomenal, let the physical resistance also be here. How is it touching you? It was a belief that if I was really awareness, I wouldn't be resisting anything. Yes, yes. And how are you creating the resistance? Which raw material are you using to put together this energy called resistance? Awareness is not doing any of this. All this is just a play of Consciousness itself. So that kind of level confusion can come, that 'If I am awareness now, then why am I creating this resistance?' It is your dynamic aspect, which is called Consciousness, which is doing all of this, but not personally. Show me the one who has a problem with any of this, who doesn't want the pain. Show me this one. By the way, I'm not saying that you must want pain; it's not this or the opposite of it. But I'm speaking of the space of neutrality which is open to all which is appearing. Can you see what's happening?

So all the time we seem to be saying, 'This is me, this is me, this is me, this is me.' And when I say, 'Can you show me this me?' it seems like so difficult. Where is it? Where is it? What is it? This is the trick. See, this is the Divine Leela. This is Maya, where the non-existent one, through the power of your own belief, seems to be the one which is you. And yet it is only imagined. And the real, which is here right now, seems like this is effort. There is nobody there really who is afraid of the pain. It is only the pretend idea of what you are.

See, like this one, this is sense of um... like this is an ident... like not wanting to let go of this identity. I can feel something like...

Okay, so you do the reverse of it. You do the reverse of it. Make the identity real. You say, 'It doesn't seem like I want to let go of this sense of identity.' So you then make it real. Can you do it? Nothing can make this imagined one real. Even if you give it your belief, all of your belief, you don't make something tangible out of it. You see? Even phenomenally tangible, it is still just a belief. It is still just a pretense. The imagined one is always only imagined. The real is always only real. Therefore, what must you do? Nothing at all. Are you happy to drop the pretense or no?

Could be a little more convincing than that. I can feel the something is going, 'Oh no.' Even if this—there is even a person desire for something, that means you still hanging on to the person idea and wanting to be God at the same time.

You cannot come to the true discovery that you are God—and in fact, come to the true discovery that even God takes birth inside you—if you're still wanting to be a person somewhere. If you're still wanting to be a person without pain, then how will you come to the discovery of your God nature? Cannot sit on both these horses at the same time.

Yes. There is... when you said that, it's like, yes, there's a strong, really strong desire to be without pains. I guess body without pain. It's almost like driven my... for the last 10 years, it's like what's driven me even seeking. I came to this because of that.

Yes. But this personal desire to be without pain is sort of become like the one which is preventing you from seeing that you are that which cannot be touched at all by any appearance. Even the burning of this entire universe cannot put you in pain. So you look at awareness. Sometimes you have a glimpse that 'I am this awareness,' and then very quickly this thought will come, 'But what about the body?' See, if the body is in pain, does it still touch awareness? You must keep looking at this and find out whether you are awareness or whether you are in the body. And if it is this way, that this body will be in pain for as long as it lives, how much longer is that? Another 40, 50 years? Same amount of time is almost already—I won't reveal your age—but almost already gone. It's okay. Does it really seem like life has been so long that it has been unbearable? The same amount of life is remaining after that. Say, 'I don't want any more bodies.' This 'I,' no, this one—you'll find him one day, never really find him. They want to see this monkey which is causing so much trouble.

The same guy many years ago—maybe Mooji might remember this—Guruji used to play this song or used to say that there's a song for the ego. You know what the song was? It was 'Hit the Road Jack.' You heard the song? So at some level it has to be said. Are you willing to say 'Hit the Road Jack' to this one, no matter what it is selling you? This is not the pain which is the problem; it's still this guy. See, this one cannot be given more pain than you can handle. If there's pain, it's always manageable. If it's too much, you become unconscious anyway. So it's a foolproof system. You say you experience so much pain, so much pain, and yet you are here. That means it wasn't too much. I know the mind might come and say, 'Yeah, yeah, easy for him to say.'

I didn't realize till you, you know, today when you said it, that that was... I always thought my seeker, all these other identities were really strong, but I didn't realize it was this person who doesn't want to be in pain. That's... yes, that's like the center of it.

Because this story of this one has been like this, isn't it? It's like, 'I want to be a person who is free of pain.' So do you want freedom more, or you want freedom from pain more?

Freedom.

Then you will discover that you are this awareness which is untouched by any pain. You are already that. It is not—awareness is not waiting for your discovery. I hope this everyone of you heard this. It is not that awareness is waiting for your discovery. You are already this. And that is why when I speak and it seems a little trivial, the way I speak about your pain or some life events, sometimes it feels like there's not enough compassion here or something like that. But it is only because I already know that you are this awareness. You are not the one with any story, not the one with this story also. Even the desire to be like a free person seems easier to have let go than this.

So that's been at the root of the story, you see. Has been at the root of the story from when you were very young. It was... you were surrounded by these strong events about bodies and war and death and all of these things. That is the root of the story which is here. May in your seeing of what the truth is, may all those who suffered through this war, may all those who were in pain through all of this be blessed by your discovery. May you honor their sacrifice by coming to this self-discovery of what you always have been. I am.

Couple of days ago I saw this um... oh, there's a strong combined with this was like a desire to be rescued. Yes, you know, it's like that's very... even in satsang it feels like I'm here because in some sense I want to be rescued out of... and it's very... I remember when you were here actually, I don't know whether you remember, you said to me that I was looking for you so long. 'Where were you? I looked and I looked and you were just not there. Why did you take so long?' I don't know. Now you're being rescued, but you have some attachment to that which you being rescued from because it seems like it has become a part of you. Therefore, just like this, you stay in satsang, keep contemplating 'Who am I? Am I aware now?' The Satguru's blessing will not go in vain.

Ram wants to come. You can come, my dear.

Hello Father. Hello. There's no question. It's just... just a moth to the flame and... just to... and also just to say that it's... it's seen that um, nothing can be any other way and it never has been. No, can be no other way. It's just... I want to say perfect, but that doesn't do it. Just is what it is. And somehow that's... there's beauty in that. It's like a symphony. And um, even when... even when the person is seen within it to be having a complete hiss...

Hello, Father. Hello, my... there's no question. It's just a moth to the flame and also just to say that it's seen that nothing can be any other way and it never has been. It can be no other way. It's just... I want to say perfect, but that doesn't do it. It just is what it is, and somehow there's beauty in that. It's like a symphony. And even when the person is seen within it to be having a complete hissy fit, yes, that's part of it. It can't be any other way.

This is exactly what I meant by: come to this natural state of non-resistance and nothing is being resisted. All is allowed because it's not necessary that the events or the appearances—although they might—it is not necessary that the events which appear, the people that appear, the way they appear, all that doesn't need to change. But you will find that you're not resisting it now. Everything is allowed to come and go. And this also the mind will make this out to be some sort of a passive state, but it's not passivity. Actions can come, actions can flow through this body also, and even those are not resisted. Like you said, you can have a full-on... what is the term? Hissy fit? I think it's a British term. No suffering. Momentary anger can come, some momentary Shiva energy can come, and it can go.

Yeah, nothing changes. Like in five minutes I have to go to work, but it just doesn't matter. It just doesn't... I don't know, I can't even say. It's just perfect. It doesn't matter where I am. There is a draw to be more places than others, like there's a draw to be with you more than anywhere else, and yet you are not moving.

No, there's no movement. This is a very good contemplation: see whether it is 'I' that is moving or it is just the appearances in front which are moving. The mind has always believed that I have been moving in the world. It is actually the appearances which have been moving in front of me. I remain untouched, unmoved through all of this.

Like even the concept of time is just an idea that appears in this, and yet it just is this, and that can't be any other way. Even if there's illness—like at the moment there's some illness in me—it just has got nothing to do with anything. I don't think I'm saying it really badly because I'm not good with the words, really. I'm sure you can see through that. And there's so much love. It's like it's all just made of love. I don't know anything about it, though. I love you so much.

I love you too, very much. Very happy, very happy to see all of you so effortlessly unfolding this beautiful neutrality. Very beautiful to see.

And it feels like I've done nothing. There's nothing happened. It's just being with you has just... there's no effort. It feels... though I think there, when I look at the story, I think there has been some effort, but I don't remember. Like initially, there needed some effort to just drop the... because with the addiction itself, it seems like it became effortless. It became effortless to be a person, it seemed like. And then when you started dropping it, then you saw that it felt like a little bit of effort to drop our belief. And then the position itself was so tiring, so effortful to be a person, and completely effortless just to be what I always want, what I always am. And there appears sometimes, if there's a thought come up and it feels like there's a movement to it to be believed in, I don't believe my next thought, and then that appears like it never happened. Does that make any sense?

Yes, yes, completely. Yeah, it just was part of the... it just had to be that way. And many times you now start catching yourself. Some story starts to develop and then immediately you say this. And then it's seen that it's just... it has to play that way. Even that has to play that way. All of this, including the delusion and the freedom from the delusion, is God's Leela. Just amazing.

You and satsang going to be visiting Mooji's house, Satsang Bhavan London? I don't know. We've got some of us coming here on Thursday. There's going to be Adam and David and Jyoti. Yeah, they're going to be here. Um, yeah, I don't know what I'm doing in five minutes if I'm getting a bus. It seems... I don't know. Well, all I can think about is Bangalore, actually.

Yeah. Is it far to London?

Not really, no. I'd like to, yeah, it'd be good to come up, to go up. Okay, well, I have to go to work now. So thank you, Father. Such a blessing to be able to fly into your flame.

So many in London today, or at least in the UK. You know Adam, then the friends from Mooji and the Mooji Satsang Bhavan, then Sita Satsanga. Oh, we have London satsang today. Riya just left; she was there as well. Oh, she's here. Jyoti was just saying to let everyone know that you would all be very, very welcome to come.

Yes, yes, very welcome. Very welcome to go there also. We will be following the Zmar retreat from the house for the whole week, so whoever feels in the heart to, you know, to come and participate, you're very welcome. And maybe I will write on the chat the email address you can write to, to ask information about this. Yes, so you can email me, I can share on Sangha of Being page. Yes, maybe the chat is better.

All right, now. Thank you, Father. Should we have a song today from the Satsang Bhavan? That'll be right, yes. We will sing. Jyoti is coming back in one second. I think she fetches her guitar. Vishva, you're on mute. Just tuning. Okay, oh, here it is.

Thank you all so very much. That was so beautiful. So thank you, Father. May all our heads never move even one inch away from my Father's feet. All joy, all peace, all love is there. All love is here. Thank you, Father, for this beautiful, beautiful satsang. Parvati Ji can share her beautiful invocations with us and then we close for today.

Gurur Brahma Gurur Vishnu Gurur Devo Maheshwarah. Gurur Sakshat Parabrahma Tasmai Shri Gurave Namah. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. Om Satguru Bhagavan Ki Jai. Om Namah Shivaya.

Thank you all so very much for being in this satsang today. Satguru Shri Mooji Ki Jai. Thank you, Parvati Ji. We can turn the broadcast off now.