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I, Even Prior to Am-ness - 26th March 2016

March 26, 201613:4577 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta guides the listener to recognize the absolute awareness that exists prior to space, time, and the sense of presence. He emphasizes that this reality cannot be located phenomenally because all movement and space arise within it.

That from which space is born can definitely not be in space.
The witness of a dream is not within the dream; the dream is within it.
Awareness is the only thing that is not 'that'; everything else is an appearance.

contemplative

awarenessbeingnessnon-dualityself-inquirytime and spacewitnessingadvaita vedanta

Transcript

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Ananta

Okay, hello. You there's a question you can answer, which even that which never moves, even the existence isn't apart from it. So let's try, let's try to locate it. How will we do it? You can see that it is here, but it is not here spatially. So when you look at this awareness and you see that I cannot find the spatial location of it, it's just here. But actually, within this here, all space is. Amazing. This is not about contemplation because you can say 'Where am I?' and we are referring to ourselves as this absolute awareness. We try to find 'here'. Here, spatially, is it like all other content which seems to be appearing in the space of my own being? No.

Ananta

It's also so obvious that I'm already looking from there. Yeah, it's just that we're not used to looking at things not phenomenally. Therefore, we have to use terms like 'here' and 'there', but actually this is prior to, even before the concept of here and there. Before the sense of thereness and hereness, this is always present, even before presence. So if all things are arising from this presence—all the forces, time and space, everything—you see that this that I truly am, before I am, cannot be located in this way.

Seeker

Is there anything which is not phenomenal in this appearance? Ultimately, I call it the primordial phenomenon. It's not phenomenal in an objective way in that it's there, and it's so obvious it's there, but I can't quantify it in any way. And it is limitless, and I can't find any edge to it, and I can't find any properties. And I guess that's the thing, that it's just a thought and nobody... but it's there. And then maybe just expose it somehow, because if the beingness has no qualities whatsoever, no edge, no attribute, just what could possibly be watching that and able to look at that? To be able to look at something and say, 'Yes, it has definitely not in space.' That which you perceive, that you can perceive that from which space is born, can definitely not be in space.

Ananta

Just like the witness of a dream is not within the dream; the dream is within it. So this is a dream. We're trying to say, 'How do I find this awareness within this dream construct?' It's not possible. Then waking up, we're aware of the dream; it was within me. So the dream was within me, but wherever it comes from, it cannot be within me. It has no spatial location. Time and space don't apply to it. That is why it is eternally timeless, endless. Everything else, all phenomena, is time-bound.

Seeker

So this tendency to watch for a movement to see this, because even the beingness moves in its very, very, very unique and subtle way, you know? It's the tendency to search for some kind of... but what would you say? Yeah, and what in the sense that what would have to move for you to see that awareness?

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Ananta

All movement must be a grandchild of awareness. All movement must be within me. So what would move, and for us to make that conclusion? Oh, that's when it's just a... now hopefully take an example of when it came off like, 'Oh, that's awesome,' you know? Well, it's so clear that nothing could move this awareness. I think I'm just giving some importance to this tendency, to the habit of... oh yeah, because we are looking together, really truly contemplating and asking what would be that we could say.

Ananta

Sometimes I jokingly say that maybe to say 'I am that' is not the most accurate. What comes closer is 'I am this'. But actually, 'I' is closer than even 'I am'. This 'I' is really what you're talking about, even prior to am-ness. Because truly we cannot say that awareness... okay. So in fact, awareness is the only thing, if you can call it that, that is not 'that'. Everything else we can say 'that'—being, presence, that appearance, that presence. Without awareness, what would we be pointing to?

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