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How Do You Say That 'You Are This Body'? - 7th January 2018

January 7, 20184:0659 views

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Ananta challenges the identification with the body by pointing out that while perspective seems centralized behind the eyes, the true Self is the non-phenomenal container in which the body and all perceptions appear.

The body is included in you; you are not an object contained within the body.
Is the feeling of being the body an energetic reality or just an interpretive perspective?
The centrality of perspective convinces us we are behind the eyes, yet we are the space containing it all.

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Transcript

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Seeker

Yes, but because I'm still a little bit like mixed with the 'I' identification with the body, and I feel this energy in the body and I feel myself also as this body.

Ananta

So you feel the energy which is in the body. You feel that there is a body here. How do you say that you are this body? Is that energetic or is that interpretive?

Seeker

Because I can see that I am everywhere, but at the same time I can surely see that I receive through the body. So it's the centrality of the perspective; it seems to be from inside this head, behind these eyes, that it seems that it convinces us.

Ananta

But if you had so many dreams also where it seemed like there is a body there and I'm watching from inside the body, but where were you actually? Were you an object contained within the behind-eyes in the dream? Although the centrality of the perspective was the same, it was seeming like you were looking from within those eyes, from behind those eyes. Were you actually there? This is very, very common because we feel that 'I must be an object within this head' or something behind these eyes because my vision seems to confirm that. What is there behind eyes? Do you feel like you're an object behind the eyes or do you feel like you're non-object?

Seeker

It seems like I have the capacity to feel myself also as an object and also not. It looks, it feels like this 'me', something which is beyond the object state, can have the capacity for both.

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Ananta

If we were just an object... if the glass cannot see that... can there be something which is not phenomenal but located in the body?

Seeker

Something non-phenomenal located in the body? Yes, because... not located, but well, because it's everywhere, it's also in the body.

Ananta

That's different. The body is in it. Then it is everywhere, therefore also in the body. Therefore the greater thing we can say is that the body is included in that. So why does it single out this body to identify with? Because of the centrality of the perspective, it can seem like I'm looking out of this body.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.