Contemplation on the Ashtavakra Gita Chapters 7 & 8 - 15th August 2017

So the vital thing which is coming, timing feels that we are coming to the discovery of this shoreless ocean. It has no beginning or end, has no birth or death. All of these are the tools to self-discovery. No more concepts, no more visual imagination. This just means the Self comes to this beautiful discovery using the pointers, using the tools which are provided in satsang. As I said, as we start Ashtavakra Gita, we're not just going to read the words, not just make the words more accessible, but also experience the taste of what the sage is talking about. Use what he says as pointers to taste the reality of what we are. 'In me, the shoreless ocean, let the waves of the universe rise and fall as they will. I am neither enhanced nor diminished.' In me, the shoreless ocean, let the waves of the universe rise and fall as they will. I am neither enhanced nor diminished. Very, very important clue because even after satsang, when you first keep looking for some phenomenal change, something should happen. Or if I say to you, 'Know yourself,' you say, 'Where is my halo?' Anything? 'Why do I still get angry?'

So what is the sage saying? It will be the movement of the rising and falling within this universe. But in the main, I am neither enhanced nor diminished. So no space for the ego to hide or gain, because you can take one phenomenal thing and you can become very prideful about this, or we can become very guilty. So this means that all of this is one movement of consciousness. It is moving with the only supreme intelligence that runs time and space, gravity, electricity. All of these forces, which is supreme intelligence, so that is doing a job. It is running this already. But I, which is the witness of this world, am neither enhanced nor diminished by it. It's very, very subtle also because we say that Brahman, the Absolute, the apparent universe appears, but I remain like... So the Absolute, you get to potential, but they appear. But unlike potential and manifestation, it is not that something happens to the potential with the manifestation, because they are no matter for manifestation. So complete, total state, complete in spite of a complete universe coming from the within. With the very emergence, with the appearance of your consciousness, this world of the universe itself is also unlimited. With that, I am also unlimited. And I, it is and needs to remain untouched. If this is the ocean which is rising and falling, the universe takes shape with its own, I remain untouched, neither enhanced nor diminished.

And notice all the judgments that we make about the past, all the judgments we make about ourselves on the basis of this phenomenal movement. Something happens, some interaction or something happened with life, whole meaning, everything, or maintaining that the new normal. What is it? So sense of the body is creative power, relationships, yeah, the craving slash longing slash work, and ultimately the quest for freedom or the quest for liberation. We search for some meaning. We are reporting the petting zoo of our own emergence. So within this relationship with some coming based on body, based on how little we are doing as a seeker, the one who is searching for the truth, we make judgments about myself, ourselves according to safety. I am neither enhanced nor diminished no matter what is the movement of the world. So in hearing these words, can we take it as a pointer to let the universe be? Know reality, including the play of your own body as part of this universe moving, running on its own cause. If the theater is there, the screen is there, all of that, and I, untouchable consciousness, am playing this movie. Then I seem like consciousness itself is playing, is making an effort to play as if it is just one of the characters. It is playing as if it is an individual entity, a limited identity.

This goes from being a far-out concept into our own living discovery. Okay, the sliver of openness, clear collectors, a groove in a foot in the door so that we know that it is one foot able to add pathways of death. It also seems like the most difficult, most abstract picture, Ashtavakra Gita. But merely enough to show me that I was hoping to in life. And we talk about this and they say, 'I thought okay, oh, when he will get it,' because it can seem like the most difficult. You can relate to these words: 'I am the shoreless ocean in whose the ark of the universe comes and goes, but I remain untouched.' For those decisions, checking with on for a long time thinking like this is really complicated, but I am giving it the cheat code. A little bit of openness, only these clues will be like, 'Okay, for like the Vedas, we came to my own experience.' It must become like that. Pointers are only what we've read, all this is pointing to the direct truth. It must become nothing like else. This could be my words because this is exactly what I'm discovering for myself without any pretense, without any proclamation, just the truth that you're finding about yourself.

With this sliver of openness, we can follow these clues and let the mind just come and go. A little bit of time, then all of this, they were straight. Follow any times in the past, Ashtavakra Gita was meant to be secret food. After many years of sadhana, I hadn't even seen an ocean, then you would be holding this secret truth if it were the words of the truth. But as time is going along, it is because our life also gains to be more complex, so maybe we could also go to it more accessible to the real. But if there is something like the deficit, I will say that is one. When I say open, I mean do you see you like you cannot attach to the tools of the mind that achieves of a few moments? But the mind will say a lot of things, especially when it's faced with this direct knowledge. So can we not pick up a notion about ourselves, a chance to clear memories we have? That much you can lose, that much willingly, as if it is not there. And these words can also add to the confusion. Mind will mix this with already existing notions. They can seem like, 'Oh, where it became even more complex,' because like I keep saying, we have to find that with our direct insight and not with our inferences, judgments, thoughts, people of the other side for some time.

Basically, when you're checking about small reality, what is it that you want? Because the mind's equipped supremacy is written this equal time where the mind will come in this deadly possible way. In the days of the Master, do we ask that much openness as we can? Allow the mind to go for a few more minutes without picking up the notion of an individual, limited me as much as present. This discovery, which is what all of us are truly longing for, because we're in satsang easily, we create simplicity in discovery. If it is for one in a million, then we are that one. Quickest or rare number of people, we are doing they either call the gentlewoman waiting already. I'm thinking you are here and to continue to be here, it must be some resonance, some openness for this. Just a step back, you're hearing something soon. Your suffering will become a truth, freedom will become natural to you.

In me, the shoreless ocean, the universe is imagined. I am still and formless. Alone I abide. In me, the shoreless ocean, the universe is imagined. I am still and formless. Alone I abide. This is talking about the Self. The Self is not an object. All objects are in the pure, infinite Self. Self is not an object. All objects are in the pure and infinite Self. The Self is trying to be free of attachment and desire. In this alone I abide. If you are an object, then you would be subject to change. I would understand why you would want a number of... if I have an object, then I want to enhance myself by adding other objects, other things which should activate this form or glass. Don't mind.

The self is not an object, nor are objects in the pure, infinite self. The self is not an object, nor are objects in the pure and infinite self. The self is trying to feel free of attachment and desire; in this alone I abide. If you were an object, then you would be subject to change. I would understand why you would want an object. If I am an object, then I want to enhance myself by adding other objects, other things. Like this palm or glass—don't mind a nice coaster then, because you consider these to be objective entities. And we also believe that I can desire; sometimes I want something to make myself appear better, stronger, whatever. So this illusion of enhancement is based on our feeling that I am an object.

Now the sage is saying that you are no more an object. In the world of objects, you will not find the self. And when I say objects, we must include every phenomenal appearance. The moment you see like this, when I find this, that is the discovery of the self. At least from the perspective of the truth, even the body is an object; it's phenomenal. That which is coming and going is an object. So again, don't look at a phenomenal object for who you are. Discovering all the tools are there, find out that which is the witness of all objects and find whether that itself is an object. Is that itself an appearance? They will have a quality naturally. What we call an object has at least one attribute—some form, some shape, some color, some taste. All these are objects; they have a quality. Is the witnessing—does that have a quality? You like to see mala beads; what perceives this? What is aware of this? Would that have a quality? You head with this; this will be your direct insight.

But like all other insights, this insight will not be a phenomenal appearance. When I say that there is a computer on the table, there is a computer on the table. How did you do this process of answering? Yes, so you perceived an object and saw that this form is the shape of a computer. Yes. Is there a green apple on the table? And you say no. You do not see an object like that. But are you aware now? What did you see? This one you do not see anything in that way, and yet the answer is yes. It's not even coming from conceptual models, which is our direct study. Now I am aware. So this one test of a platform for witnessing—this is what we usually call a bridge of the surface. Am I aware now? This awareness is a non-phenomenal discovery beyond all things, beyond all objects, beyond all forgetting. What is aware of our existence? Awareness alone.

So now does it match the pure? To get that witness of the whole thing, you see the second this awareness is unchanging. What is it that is unchanging? Everything that is perceived is subject to change—time and space, name and form. So direct insight, the direct view is this: I don't have to refer to a concept to see that this witnessing is here, this awareness in this room. But unlike the green apple and the computer, whoever sees something as a phenomenal object, see... We said the self is not an object, nor are objects in the pure and infinite self. What does it mean? It means that in this, the absolute awareness, it is beyond any objective universe. And yet within itself, actually arises with the sense 'I am,' my existence, consciousness. I, which is the self, then is the truth. I have this consciousness and then the functions. We exist in this play of the world—stars, trees, all objects appear and disappear. What happened to me, that awareness? Did something happen? So everything is in the self-source. Okay? Anything greater than that which perceives? Nor are the objects in the pure and infinite self. To the source and with one touch of objects, I am awareness alone. The world is the passing show. I'm awareness alone; the world is the passing show.

Often we talk on the lines of acceptance or rejection, and we're here. Don't take so much an issue with the arising of thoughts. The identification with them is also a bit of things that get imposed on the mind, all with the form of resistance. It can still give ourselves a position. The job of the mind is to convince, and designed by consciousness in this way is to convince consciousness itself that it is a limited entity. This is the marvel of this voyage. Consciousness itself, for the sake of this play, will identify itself with a limited attitude. The connection is not so great today, but I hope it's audible. Yeah, it convinces itself. This play has given itself this; it did it for itself. It's a mechanism called mind and given it a source, the power to believe, to pretend to be something limited. And they believe so clearly.

Now we might feel like it's very normal to believe that I am a person. But if you look at it, notice that even scientifically it is impossible. Suppose you have believed that 'I am doing something, I am moving my hand.' It seems like the most obvious thing. 'I can move it.' If you really start to explore it, then scientists will tell you that you need to fire these many million neurons to move your hand. How to fire these neurons? We don't know. So this is happening in another way. For every atom, the scientists are saying there is a probabilistic determination of what its next position will be. So that includes our atoms which make up this body. So already the probabilistic state of the nation of where it is going to be next is designed. We can feel like 'I move my hand,' and I can claim to people who were looking at me. But a BBC documentary came two years ago that showed before the thought comes that 'I must do this' or 'I can do that' or 'I should move my hand,' already the nervous system is getting active. Before the thought comes, before the decision is made, there is already movement.

So this consciousness, which is the one doer, one mover, one experiencing, has created for itself this play of individuality, its belief in its separate identity. What is the mind conversing? This scene is good. 'If I just let go, then I will become the most irresponsible. Who will take care of my family?' That is exactly the opposite of what is being said. Because even that implies the sense of individual control. It is meant to move, it will continue to move. It is just that you will not ignore it. It contributes to the movement of an individual entity which we consider also to be 'me.' We will find that all of this is a movement of the arc of the universe. I am the shoulder of resolution. This displacement happens, but I remain untouched. This is going to be our regulating view of all subjects.

Resistance—that will be on this. There's constant mutation, constant flooding. It's for us to transcend this content. The idea is there is an ego here. Transcend the ego. Ego means what? The sense that there must be a separate entity here. Practically, most of the creation and yoga happen... this separation has never happened in reality. It is just a pretense, a facade. If I also can share my favorite metaphor examples that we use, such as the mirror. Please note here: suppose that in the world which had no mirrors, you could not check on your shape or size or form. Now everyone is telling you that you are a cat. Everyone told you you're a cat. You don't have a mirror to check this. Not only everyone, but also you have a voice which constantly is confirming that you are a cat. What do you think to be happy? 'I need the next bowl of milk.' So what is it? Whatever it is said, 'Next bowl of milk,' then 'Oh, get a good education, then you will have a healthy body and you'll be happy and a good life and you'll be happy.' Make enough for me and you'll be happy. The cat within you keeps moving from bowl to bowl, back and forth. We try to find this eternal hope that somebody comes and says 'enlightenment, freedom.' You're finding through this never-ending quest for that bowl of milk, 'I can be enlightened.'

So the fact is, this is what I want. I've seen it; none of these give me happiness which is stable, which is unchanging. So I will go for freedom. Toward that means what? Those seeking to always be happy is to find this bowl of milk called enlightenment. Then you start looking for that master, the teacher who can show you this enlightenment. If this is a master, if we're lucky, we obviously need such a master who can say, 'You come to the bowl of milk with a half a bowl. I don't have a bowl of milk. What do I have? What I do have is a mirror which you will see so good you will not find a cat, but upon seeing all of you, you will find yourself to be that which is beyond any cat and beyond any bowl of milk.' The cat conditioning and thing to be so strong... but then we see for ourselves in a credible way with our own insight. And we do the inquiry. We are checking, looking, 'Who am I?' But one's constant pointing with it: 'Who am I?' Should we find the cat? Nobody has come and said, 'I look within and I actually found the person sitting there.' Nobody has found this person. And yet, just after the self-recognition, how is it that we begin to believe again to be a cat? This is the power of conditioning. It is the momentum of conditioning.

It's often said that even after the fan is unplugged, it continues to spin for a while till it comes to a stop. So the momentum of our conditioning continues to tell us the story of an individual entity. We must stay away from this. Let's search with the mirror. And this is a secret identity itself. It wants some satisfaction in the form of that unending bowl of nectar. 'I will not have a mirror till then. I will not believe in potential.' You fetch it. 'I will not have a mirror till I have a number.' You can keep the power, giving this up. Thank you. And you keep looking for the best part of it. And then the truth and being part of it are not value. If you let me be after to have this bliss, then I can confirm that I came to... what do you find if you just allow yourself to just be? The king of no condition. Very long, mother, it has to come. If you've got to look, you can make a discovery. If you are the self, unchanging, the witness of all, every discovery—phenomenal, objective—all of these are for you to taste. They are in service to you. God doesn't have to run after them. Okay? We consider ourselves to be something limited, in order that we can taste. So then all these will seem like they are elusive. In this system that we are tasting next, the coming and going is predicted. The work of similar—everything comes and goes. If we are finding something which is objective, which is impersonal, that also... use this opportunity to find that which is not coming and going. Completely possible.

If you feel like you're stuck, they want something to the self-recognition. I'm always happy to engage, to inspire, to be able to look at this. You can do stuff with the recognition. We're happy to. And if you feel like the recognition is here, but there is a minimal part of conditioning, this pretense again and again, the best thing is satsang. Everything is in the community. But the mind will lose its ability, its power to tell you that you are something small. There are some thoughts. If you find the stickiest anxiety, find out who are they referring to. Including thoughts about freedom, about being the seeker, then in clear inquiry ask yourself: 'Who is here that is bothering with the bound one?' This once will become laughable. If that negative mindset from this understanding reports that there is lacking, if thoughts are coming in ways defining all of this play, oh, it's so funny. Sometimes we look at these thoughts, we check so much power in the past, and behind that they are laughable. All of us have their legs first, child, you're in here.

Without being the seeker, then, in clear inquiry, ask yourself: Who is here? That is what happens with the bound one. This once will become laughable. If that negative mindset from this understanding reports that there is lacking, if thoughts are coming in defining all of this play—oh, it's so funny. Sometimes we look at these thoughts we gave so much power to in the past, and now they are laughable. All of us have had this. Like a small child, you might have had a thought or some desire that you want a toy car or some Legos or something, and you can feel like that is the most important thing. You know, like life depends on having that skate or something like that.

When you outgrow that, then you find those thoughts laughable. 'How I thought that only street food is the most important in my life.' It is like that. You come into the recognition of what you truly are, and this nuclear power of some eternity of the thing seems laughable. However, we believe that having an object would bring eternal happiness. More than that, why? Because we all, you see, are there to be one. While growing from a small child, my caption of all desires is the same thing without really knowing, which is claiming to tell you what you need for having made it. In all our choosing, there is not on this table anything given. So do not feel that 'I will find it, I will find it in myself.'

Ashtavakra says in the chapter on bondage and liberation: 'When the mind desires or grieves, accepts or rejects, is pleased or displeased, this is bondage.' Let's talk about that. The mind desires or grieves, accepts or rejects, is pleased or displeased—this is bondage. We buy into the story of the mind, including an idea of what enlightenment should be. Then we create a limited standpoint, a limited perspective about ourselves. So, be without a different position for a moment. To think one is completely perfect, unless you like it's a bit unsteady, you're wobbling for a bit. Be cheeky.

Another example could be that suppose at a very young age you were told that to walk you have to use crutches. You have to use some support. The crutches were attached so fast you were told that we exist to live, or to live value, you need these. We've got total of the point system. So then you can feel like everything, every goal that will agree, needs to be made with crutches. 'But improve my thoughts, look, make them more pure, make them better.' Then we can go to... you may not pay on the basis of my crutches. Then you came across one who says, 'Why are you using these crutches?' You see, it goes without that. If somebody says, 'I am willing to experiment with that, I'm willing to check whether it is possible for life to continue in a very nice way without these crutches,' how can you be open to them? Because we've constantly been told that without these crutches you are finished, life will be finished, responsibility is gone, you will not be able to get out of bed.

So, come across someone to directly come up and say, 'Leave these crutches for business, leave the facility, I am fine.' In fact, you start to float a little bit. Not only are you just walking, actually you are starting to float. Then the mind convinces you it is only the Guru holding your hand. What I hear every day: 'Now I'm in satsang and I'm fine. I am able to let go of my thoughts completely.' It is like that, which can feel like this with the presence of the Master. It is easy for us to drop the crutches. One says, 'Leave it for some more time.' It's clear like this for a while that 'I'm holding on,' and you even move more. Open if you can. Come by the start, it's true, a bit to find your feet are unsteady. Generally, you feel like you're lifted up, unsteady. So it might feel like you're falling; actually, you're learning to fly.

Letting go of these crutches, then you start... it is no longer as if you are limited, that you use limited ideas about yourself. You find that only God is living as God. You find really God everywhere. The body is God, this world is God, negative air is God. God is taking care of Himself, herself, the way he or she wants to. So, can we leave the crutches of thoughts? Are we willing to experience the fear? Some fear will come. It might feel like a fear of death, it might feel like a fear of dissolution, where anything substantial that I've held onto is floating away. I'm telling you that it is worth it, completely worth it. No crutch is worth your time anymore. Now, to clear that way, it is fine to clear that way.

Now I want to tell all this: you feel like, 'Oh, anything will happen to your life.' Or let me put it another way: only facts, which is auspiciousness, will happen to your life. Nobody, Guruji says, nobody is comfortable with the discovery of this. And I said, 'No, no, no, I don't want this, give me the ink, man.' Nobody says that. 'Okay, I don't want this self-realization, please, I would rather have a million dollars instead.' To be a seeker, if you would be asking them, we would otherwise... in all the things over the centuries, at least a few would have said, 'Okay, okay, take this back, give me my money or give me the best relationship.' Over the centuries, you are not extreme masters of reality.

In many examples, they take the example of Nachiketa, who wants to find the immortal truth, that which is beyond this. The Lord of Death itself comes and says, 'Now I will give you the best life, I will give you the most money, you will have the best relationships, best anything you can think of.' And then he stayed with this question: 'Okay, if that is beyond, can you show me that? Because whatever else you can give me will come and go. Can you give me something which will not come and go?' It is only this thing. Because I know more, there will be a live one. And I was at the Master's for so many years looking for this, and I came to discover... I was looking at these videos at one time in our initial recognition. The more I can come and paint a picture of it, it adds a target that was checked as nothing. So there is nothing in that. But as I keep stressing this point, that space is no-thing, which is so full of everything, but you cannot find ourselves longing for it.

When the mind does not desire, grieve, accept or reject, become pleased or displeased, liberation is at hand. So when should we leave it for this time? We know these kind of things. Sometimes they're pointing to something else, but we need to make you listen. If you keep waiting for the time where the mind will come to this kind of stage, you can keep waiting forever. The pointing is to the now. In this moment, you are empty of positions. Actually, it is empty of all of the grievances and desires and all your exorcisms. So every time, right now, you start being aware that you are empty of all of you. Every moment starts like this. You might have interference, but every moment we are empty of all conditioning, like all this version has been taken away. Actually, before a thought about yourselves, liberation is to the duration and the time now. Again, don't listen when the first thought forms. Don't aim, don't expect the quality of the mind to change in some way. This moment tells you not you of it as also thoughts come in moments. There are two selves. Do the next surgery on the basis of a stick on your changing, like you picked up all the flowers of conditioning. But what about right now?

Oh, beautiful Self, what is remaining to see? Don't wait for the mind's time. Just see what is clear now. Or is it written here? Who are you? Who you will at one problem... Bhuvana continued, you will get to be one moment like this today when you will be like, 'Oh, I want to use that, and then I want to come to the recognition of this.' Since I want to use that completely now, I'm telling you that this will attack you. We had some terrible internet before. The moment after this was a moment of truth, and you had only one choice. And the only choice you have is whether to believe what the mind is telling you about yourself or to let it go. Suppose you had this choice, what choice would you make? Would you again be so concerned by nominal appearances that you would leave this moment of truth and buy into the story of the false? That never falls.

Bhagavan says that there is no difference between what we want. So if the Master is telling you that it is completely possible, I was still good, although being who is saying what the mind is thinking. I once said that if you feel like you have a choice, then your only choice is whether to go along with the stream of thoughts or not. And one day you will recognize that even this choice will decrease. But as long as it feels like you have some choice, then make this new choice.

If your mind is attached to any experience, which is bondage, when the mind will detach from all experience, that is liberation. Although attached to an experience, you think about it. A 'good' experience happens. Suppose all the chakras open, you feel some super-lifeless thing. Then how to attach to it? The thought will come saying, 'I want to keep this.' So then what happens is that in this 'I want to keep it, I want this to be the way it is,' this is 'my' experience and 'I' want this experience to always be mine. So in this play of 'me' and 'mine,' that actually same thing is there for the opposite, which is aversion. It's the flip side of desire. It is desire with another name. What is aversion? Which didn't happen and something is 'I don't want this.' Also we say, 'I don't want it,' but even then the 'me' is still there, now saying that 'this I definitely don't want.'

So the great experiences feel like 'I must,' only happens without a good end of the spectrum. We see like, 'I don't.' So then our life becomes about this avoiding pain and leaning towards pleasure. In a word, a central city with a vision is going to life for meaning because attached to this to see who did the safety. One should see that the ocean is moving up and down; you are neither enhanced nor diminished. 'Wait, what do you mean untouched?' Then we are not finding a surgeon in a non-fisherman way. Everything is mental designs and solutions. It is tools to help us get to this openness. It is being blessed by a Satguru. Something comes out like a sun, looks like others, but if you like the king temperament and we like to understand everything, then we go through the tough problems. Who is enjoyable to succeed? Who is suffering or enjoying in the experience? And to the true experience, is it affected in reality by the content of the experience? Bondage is surrender, rolling in violence and so on. Also meant or both.

Then years ago I read the beautiful picture called the 'Amrit Bindu Upanishad' which says something that could be even now not much as dark. Actually, to the users, maybe some bigger we start, which is that treat everything as an offering to the Most High. Whatever it might be, whatever the content of every experience might be in this context, not going to the ball. I mean the best experiences, worst experiences. Through desire, she rightly says, becomes this idea that 'I must have only this.' Aversion becomes an idea that 'I must not have this other thing.' It will obtain at the to the law is inevitable. It's for me as nothing is so many. When this idea of 'me' itself starts to dissolve, it's just like this. Like the other thing we often do. Someone came and she said, 'See, Father, I don't really get much of what you're saying. Can you give me some simple idea, some simple practice?' I said, 'What is it that you enjoy?' She says, 'I like to pray sometimes.' Inside, I'm paraphrasing, 'I like to pray.' I said, 'That is very good. You stay with that and you notice how your prayer will move. It might start with saying, "God, I'm praying to You, please take care of my life." And as this prayer continues, let it change into a surrender: "I'm praying to You, but do with this life as You want." Because then it progresses to that: Who is praying and that which is being prayed to? And only You, my Lord, all of this is You.'

She says, 'I like to play sometimes inside a non-dual correction and paraphrasing where I like to play some parts back.' It's very good. You stay with that and you notice how your prayer will move. It might start with saying, 'God, I'm praying to you, please take care of my life.' And as this prayer continues, let it change into, 'I surrender and cling to you, but do with this life as you want.' Because then it progresses to, 'Who is praying and who is being prayed to?' And only you, my Lord, all of this is your field. So even in the surrender concept, even in this starting point of prayerful evolution, you can come to this truth: there is only one, there are no two. So whatever path you pick, as long as the longing in the heart is for the truth and you're not lying to yourself. Yeah, I would say that: the longing in the heart is for the truth. Second quality: all that is Ram. Don't lie to yourself. Lying to yourself means this leads to self-denial or self-aggrandizement, which is key. For direct insight, you're not making up fancy ideas or are you making up over-the-top ideas? Your heart, you're moving to the truth. Then you can walk on any path. Nothing here has to be this and that. You do this one thing and you do it with integrity. As Maharaj used to say, this integrity is to stay with the truth of your direct experience, the tangible.

Okay, to go on: 'If the mind is attached to any extent, this is bondage. If the mind is detached from all experience, this is liberation.' What does this mean? This means that it becomes like a lifeless seed. These thoughts become very weak. 'Detached' means that we keep this mantra 'What's in it for me?' out of the equation. In our looking at things, we keep the 'me' out of this. 'What can I get out of this experience? Can I keep this forever?' We keep the 'me' out of this to see what is. Often I speak about this, but the first time I saw a fly, it was very late in life. I think many clouds flew by, but for the first time I saw it without an interpretation and a judgment, it felt like I'm seeing it for the very first time. You start to experience the world in this way. It will be vibrant, free, and has the joy and the wonder of it. Muhammad saw, Baba was an informant. We were to keep at it. 'I'm going within, Father.' If it doesn't get beliefs, okay, it's so much. No energy happens now. You sitting here, we don't need the interpretation. Just be. It's a point of it. We are sitting here talking about freedom on the day of India's independence, beings from all over the world. Both this is for Mantas of this technology thing. This is also something that's often... I don't know how they all... then years ago, supposedly this conversation happened between the kings and the sages. They believe that after so many thousand years, putting in these special days, it is so vastly believed. Without this layer of interpretation, this moment... that means you don't see God after the thought.

Actually, the other day you loved this video again, it's one of my favorites. The two straight falls as it's one come that their property has been to see God. Or the details, the story of this child, how would you know? It was so clear to her what is here to the extent that God took a chocolate. She shared the story. When it is okay, you do this on the weekend or tomorrow, something like that. Then Papa said, 'Actually, why wait? What do you see now?' This one says, 'I don't see God.' So Papa says, 'It will do not to doubt. Don't doubt.' So stop the doubt. What does he say? I suppose with some mental trick, if this is overtly... is this presence of your being? Be here now is God. So God changes. The world does not become one interested sort of appearance because many times we say when Maya appears and soundly on... did you conceal and told you to be very boring, more lectures or something like that? You contact Bible. I don't see the true sense of you. This phenomenal appearance you start to see when you accept it for what it is.

Last words for today: 'When there is no I, there is only liberation. When I appears, bondage appears with it. Knowing this, it is effortless to refrain from accepting and rejecting.' So the term 'I' is very confusing. We need to learn to define 'I'. Would you define it best as the chameleon 'I'? The chameleon 'I' can be applied to various things. We apply it to this body, we apply it to the mind, even applied to our attention. 'Oh, I'm sorry, I was driving but I was somewhere else.' Actually, the attention was over there. Attention, we apply it to the 'I Am' that I Am, and we also apply it to the absolute sense, right? I. Now, what does it say? 'When I appear.' Therefore, it must be that changing 'I'. What I mean is clear with a pivotal sense of individual, which is ego, with 'I'. So the 'I' is most often applied to this sense of person, which is a strange combination of in our mind, some strange combination of body and mind. To remove such entity there, it feels like a valid entity. This is what the sages call the sense of a separate existence. He says there is when this 'I' appears, then bondage appears to appear. Or the appearance of what is just appearance. It's like the appearance of this 'I'. Just watch now. How is it that we can buy this idea of individuality? I think twice a night with it. If the task was to do it, the task was to suffer, we are feeling like everything with 'I' always. Then you suffered. So if the project now is the reverse, which is to help you settle out, you do need to identification. The counting people believe in identification is on the team. Lies is one beta 'I' to you. There is no person without belief in this way. Then we bind to the idea of our individuality and bondage is bound to feel real. And if we remain empty of this belief, we cannot suffer. So simple. Can it be that simple? Can you suffer without thinking about it? And I'm not even thinking you have to withdraw your attention. Sometimes the attention feels like it is going to heart. It's time I do as your belief is more than withdrawn. We will find that attention also doesn't find it so attractive, that feeling that it's also so magnetic.

Some of you, especially those when you visit me, like there's a 'but, but' something comes in function which is relevant to you. They don't believe. Next one, we might get a thought which is saying, 'But something...' will say a projection about the future, a concern, a period of security, something. So just like that crutch saying, 'What will you do without me? You will fall.' And saying to a devotee that you see the reason behind everything will be taken care of. So moving away from experiencing this world as an ego, going away from the sense of experiencing is relative to you to come into this beauty of being effortless existence. Many times thoughts come like this: 'He's going to help me. What do you want to do with you too? And what's going to happen to you? You're just going to make a mess of your life.' All of this. I can make you begin such a smashing bank of drawers of it so far. It's like knowing this, it is effortless to refrain from accepting and rejecting. What does it mean? This is effortless. Let this 'I' come and move. Our hearts kind of go where the accepting and rejecting is not looking good, inclusive anymore. So what is yours? Chapter 8, where we discussed the contrast between bondage and liberation. Next time, maybe tomorrow, we start with Chapter 9, which is attachment. Thank you all so much for being in person today.

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