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When All Answers Are I Don't Know - 7th August 2017

August 7, 201713:0427 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta guides a seeker to transcend the conceptual trap of 'not-knowing,' explaining that even identifying as someone who knows nothing is a mental position that must be surrendered to rest as pure consciousness.

Even the idea that 'I don't know anything' is a knowing that 'I don't know anything.'
Be empty of the concept of not-knowing. Don't make even the not-knowing into a position.
The one that could be the doer or not-doer doesn't exist; there is only the light of consciousness.

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Transcript

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Seeker

Yes, I usually... yeah, like Takada Minoru, I'm nice to everybody actually. You were talking about Advaita, and I'm in a phase where whatever question arises in my head, you know, about spirituality or whatever, even in my daily life—which is included, of course—all answers are 'I don't know.' All of them. Like it... yeah. So, of course, my persona, my identity is very affected like that because what I'm evoking is excited from emotions. But I guess this is very new for me to not know, really not know, at a point where even during the day I don't know what I want to do, you know? So, this is at the beginning I noticed this, you know, I was like, 'Okay, okay, let it go, this is part of the play apparently.' But now this has been like two, three weeks, you know, and now I'm a bit starting to freak out, haha. Because it became like a little while for me, you know, but there is stress and such. It's like a very quick flick, I don't know how to explain. Look at this, enjoy this question now. Okay, I'm gonna go, you have to mute maybe. Okay, thank you for listening, thank you very much. How do I remove here?

Ananta

So, what can happen is that even 'not knowing,' we can make that a position. So, there is knowing, like 'I know a lot of things,' and now 'I don't know a lot of things, really.' So, the picking up of mental concepts and the not having mental concepts—but very subtly, even this can become a position, that 'Now I have the position where I don't know anything.' Now, even if this... the 'I' that we are talking about is the limited entity, because that 'I' has this particular life and that 'I' is freaking out a little bit. All of these things are happening to a limited entity. Think again whether we can see it as it is or not. Even the idea that 'I don't know anything' is a knowing that 'I don't know anything.' Now, so now what's going to happen to my life? So, not even this we can know. And the mind cannot do this.

Ananta

So, I'm switching to you as Consciousness itself, as your own being. Not even this we can know, that 'I don't know anything,' because the mind can only operate in these opposites: knowing something and not knowing. And both can be a position. Desire or not desire, suffer or not suffer. Really, what we are talking about, in fact, is the background of both of these positions. So, even the not-knowingness can become like a phenomenal not-knowingness, that 'I know now that I know nothing, and let me now see what happens to my life.' Yes, but you don't know actually what is happening to our lives, whether what or three is going to be the outcome of this mental forgetting and not knowing any concept. We actually don't know, really. So, don't... you can't make a conclusion about what our life is turning out because of that. And don't make even the not-knowing into a position. Don't lower into a 'not-knower' because you will become like Socrates. Socrates said, 'I don't know anything at all,' and yet there can be a conceptual holding on to the concept of not knowing.

Ananta

So, be empty of the concept of not knowing, of any sort. Like, if you didn't have a conclusion about your knowing, you don't know whether you know or you don't. Because subtle as it might be, even this can become a position where we become very strong, really. I'm just taking a silly example on mind, I'm just setting it, exaggerating to make the point. So, we might go to the restaurant and the server gives us a menu, like you did actually: 'I don't know what I want.' And if that happens, it's fine. But sometimes even these things can happen from a position: 'I have to prove to myself or to the rest of the world that I don't know anything.' We all... I actually have become like this. I know now in both forms, but we are not talking about another... sorry, example, getting the name wrong, something... sorry, I'm saying that I am... take with not even this. If you don't know whether you know or you don't, how is that? So, you can't even take a position about knowing or not. It can be ready to keep in mind with the mind wave.

Ananta

So, then what? Now I am... we bypass it. Neither do I know, nor do I not know. Neither do I even about the doership, use it, will or not to do it like this. It isn't... the question doesn't apply to you. It is the one that could be the remover. Doer or not doer doesn't exist. And the one that is, it is the one light of Consciousness, is the one doer, one enjoyer, one experiencer. So, we cannot have a mental answer for any of these. This, I hope, some of the tricks... but you know, I have to bypass the mind completely. A good kind of answer is to bypass the mind's subsystem because the mind only knows logical: 'I know' or 'I don't,' 'I am the doer' or 'not the doer.' If I say you are neither, it says that doesn't help. It doesn't help the mind, but it triggers the recognition of something greater, something deeper that you are, which is beyond this play of opposites. Very quickly, any position that we take, even if it is based on the words we hear in Satsang—and we could be selective—then can become a position that tries to hold on to something, anything. It can become like this: 'Very good, I want to be in control of my life, and some strange things started to happen to me.' You can... all of these, the 'me' is still 'I,' which is now relying on the 'not-knowing' position. But you are not that. Take a step back. Even someone who's watching this apparent moving and nothing... you're deeper than that. This thing I'd like to do, yes.

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Seeker

Yeah, thank you for the description. It appears clear, but still on the level of the mind, you know, what you were explaining it was very clear. But now I guess I need to chew on what you just said, you know? Because, of course, I am aware saying that 'I don't know' is already the fact that I am aware that I don't know. But as you were saying it, it actually... I'm hanging, I'm clinging to this idea of 'I don't know' in a way because, 'Oh, so now it's changing, now it's different,' you know? And actually, it's different, but it's not... it's not... I just realized that it's not different, it's the same, just the same. So, I'm just... this is only what... this is just what I understand so far, but I hope that it will go... the understanding will go deeper and deeper.

Ananta

Very... because I'm very happy with sharing of this, which is so shocking. There already seems to be a resonance with it. I'm very happy to support. Thank you. No change will help. Thank you very much. Today is because many times that... and I could say that we come from knowing to not-knowing. But even in this pointing, there can be the seed of a position that turns pointing to our self, which can be limited to that. Why? It's just best to... how do you... stay with that not-knowing which doesn't know anything about knowing or not. Stay with that. Not a conditional, not a reference that we can make about ourselves. There's no someone who knows, there's no someone who doesn't know. Yes, stay with it. I don't... you don't know. How is this? The simple allowing of life to unfold without a position. This is cool. Opening sentence: we want the concept of 'not knowing' empty for always. Very happy to receive this personally, because these can be very confusing, very... at a time, but it can seem like, 'Yes, we hope this works.' All the teachers are pointing to anything... and now I feel like I don't know anything, that my life is... or going on in that. Even this beautiful pointing or triangle can be planted: 'This is how I live my life.' It is even this one... it doesn't... that's the one who knew, that's the one who doesn't know. Both are left. Position gone. And we both already know, or rather maybe I sense the mind cannot happen. Do we operate in this? Something further by presenting both in full.

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These satsangs touch the same silence.