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What Makes the Falling Away of Identity Happen? - 8th August 2017

August 8, 20177:4792 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta explains that free will cannot belong to a non-existent person, but is instead the play of consciousness itself as it explores and eventually transcends its own self-imposed limitations.

There is no person to have a will; it is just an idea like a blue cat.
Not a blade of grass moves unless it is the conscious play of the Divine.
Consciousness gives itself the power to believe it is something limited until it is done with the play.

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Transcript

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Ananta

That's a good question. She says the falling away of identity cannot be will. What makes it happen? First, for this, you have to clarify what you mean by 'will'. Let me clarify the question for her. If there was something like free will, who would it belong to? If it belonged to a person entity, then that would mean that there actually was an entity that came into existence. Now, if no person has ever come into existence, can it ever have anything, including will? So that which doesn't exist, should it have will? I think not.

Ananta

Let's look at this own whole one for me. If you look a little more simple, there is no blue cat like that. So how can that blue cat have will? For this, would the blue cat want to go outside the room? What is the will of the blue cat? We are talking about there is no such thing. In the same way, if we say that the person has some will, we have to first find if there is such a thing like a person, or is it just an idea like the blue cat? This was the first option: who could have will? So when we say it cannot be will, then we actually might mean that it cannot be will from a personal perspective, because no such person actually came into existence. No such entity is here.

Ananta

Then you might feel, 'If not my will, from which perspective?' What is the next perspective? In the light of this consciousness, like 'I Am', then the parent play appears and all the movements apparently happen. Now, all of this is what we can say is the will of consciousness. Why the play happens cannot be defined. This is not an answer which matches up to some standard of proof. Again, we say it is the will of consciousness because we find only consciousness. We clearly see before all that is happening, because we see the design and the pattern and everything that is happening, the ruler of this must be conscious. If it must be willing, it is consciousness.

Ananta

As I surrender, we say it: 'Twam Karta, Twam Bhokta.' I am not the doer, I am not the experiencer. You, God, are the real consciousness, the one doer, the one experiencer. So from that onwards, I say we can say everything is the will of consciousness. Therefore, even the dropping—the picking up and the dropping—both must be just the will of consciousness. Everything is grace. Nothing, not a blade of grass moves unless it is that the will of consciousness plays out.

Ananta

Now, there is the third perspective also you can take. You can say that my true essence is the Absolute, that which sees that even the will of consciousness is being witnessed as some aspect of myself. But I, as the Absolute, am the witness. By my being, I am aware of my being. I am aware of my beingness. It is so pure, so unconcerned by even the concept of will, yet everything comes from within it. So will does not apply at the personal level. It does not apply at the Absolute level. It only applies at this level, which is the level of consciousness.

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Ananta

So what makes it happen is that which makes everything happen, which is consciousness itself. It makes everything happen to itself. Nobody else has been found. In fact, so much so that now I can say we offer big rewards. You also get a present if the person sees it. For the possibility that one day you might actually find this person and bring it to me, because there is a thousand-dollar cash prize or a new car if you can present a person to me and say, 'Here, here it is, the veritable you.' Get it to me. It's more than a fresh perspective. Okay, okay, fine, I don't find it now. Okay, fine, but can you say for some reason we say that no science will ever discover the person also?

Ananta

As I said quickly, the point is that this is a bit of a play. It's like the consciousness has given itself the power to believe it is something which it is not, through concepts and ideas about itself and its limitations. Then, what if on the way, consciousness is done with the play? It also doesn't mostly... it doesn't like abrupt endings too. Maybe you don't like abrupt endings to a movie. We want to be even when sometimes it is just about to happen and being wants a design. So where it will come to the end of the movie also, it is playing it out, coming to that. Satsang is having insight where it is extracting the juice from this process. Having extracted all the juice of getting deluded, now it is extracting all the juice of this process of coming out of the delusion, including its apparent frustration, like saying, 'Why don't I get it?' All of it is the play of this one. Both of them is where he lives.

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These satsangs touch the same silence.