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What is the Relationship of Awareness to Dynamic Consciousness? - 25th July 2016

July 25, 201616:3196 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta clarifies that awareness is the very basis of consciousness, not a separate entity. He encourages surrendering the 'doer' and personal anxiety to the Master, allowing life to function naturally without mental interference or judgment.

Awareness is the basis of consciousness; it is I itself which is playing as I am.
The dropping of this doership of what to do next is the surrender itself.
Don't make a judgment or conclusion; allow the Master’s grace to flow through you.

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Transcript

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Seeker

Okay, so Ananta, let's head back. Can I come up? I want to take the contemplation further into dynamic realms. Okay, the fear of the question... follow this recognition that I am awareness, non-phenomenal, is verified. And maintaining this awareness in this dynamic realm state is also fine, not a problem. Now the thing is that: what is my relationship as awareness with this consciousness? I do not know. I do not know what is my relationship as an awareness with this visible world, this dynamic world. It is so easy, you know, from the learning, is that I am the witness of this and this is all appearing in me. This is also fine, this is also fine, not a problem.

Seeker

Now, if I get it, I am this dynamic field also, which of course is reporting to me, and I am aware of its reporting. And after, I'm also aware that it is reporting to me. So we can say this is only by learning that the unmanifested 'I' is the same as 'I am' in the waking state. This is my learning issue, and this seems to be an experience also. But when Maharaj says that, you know, you just stay in this Self and the Supreme Being or the higher power or the God or the consciousness takes care of everything—you know, everything is just happening, you know, all these things are happening and you are aware of it—this means 'I' is awareness, which is non-phenomenal, and the non-manifested also is present in this dynamic field as the awareness also. Which means it is not something like, you know, that something in which the three waking states are appearing and disappearing. It's not like that. It means that the consciousness and awareness is now here and now. It is not that only the consciousness is here and now, but awareness is also here and now.

Seeker

There is just a little subtlety actually. It's not that, you know, the awareness is right, you know, somewhere there in the sky and I am here as the consciousness. It is not spatial. It is not spatial. So every activity is happening and because of the knowing, because of the power of knowing or the awareness, I know that it is happening here. If I am the consciousness and if I am the God, then there is no doership from my end. There is no doership from my end. But I can only claim it once I am totally free of my egoic nature, otherwise there is a blend of the ego in the consciousness. So I cannot say that, you know, okay, I'm consciousness and this is not my responsibility actually. You know, this is the responsibility of my human nature. Like, you know, Nisargadatta Maharaj says 'my human nature,' as if, you know, my human nature... I just want to say, okay, close my eyes because the cat is there, the pigeon will not survive. So it cannot live like this. This conditioning or the egoic thing, it will go on on its own. I am coming to satsang, okay, I am serving to Guruji, and this is happening also.

Seeker

Look, with all this understanding, what is my relationship as an awareness-consciousness? If I maintain my awareness and if I don't bother about what is happening actually to the consciousness, which I have a choice—I can just close my eyes to this world—but what will not know? What did not know? If I'm not doing anything which I'm supposed to do in this world, then most people will say, 'See, he's a useless fellow. Okay, he is not responsible. You know, you cannot rely on this.' But I know actually it is my choice. If it is my choice, a conscious choice, then the consequences of action or inaction is valid. Okay, let's pause.

Ananta

Well, let's pause. There are lots of points. So first point which we want to look at is a simple point, which is: what is the relationship of awareness with this dynamic aspect? Consciousness is the same as saying: what is the relationship of 'I' with 'I am'? It is 'I' itself which is 'am'. So it is not just a relationship; it is the basis of consciousness which is awareness, you see. So that's why, and not to take these words literally because that can be level confusion, that when we say awareness is the father of consciousness, it doesn't mean that it gave birth to a child and now there are two of them. It is 'I' itself which is 'am'. 'I' is playing as 'am'. It is therefore not a relationship, but 'I' is the basis itself of consciousness. Therefore awareness must be the basis of consciousness, that which consciousness is made up of.

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Ananta

And you said very rightly that you can hear all these words, all this understanding can be there, the learning can be there, but ultimately it is not this learning which helps you. So as you stay like you have been doing very well, keep coming to satsang and surrender everything at the Master's feet, then these insights become clearer and clearer. And then we go beyond just the learning and understanding mentally of concepts, and then it is seen that this is really an insight. It is 'I', 'I am', you see. So 'I' is the unchanging, then 'I am', and then other states. Why not 'I am'? So when I say, for example, that waking, sleep, and dream are coming and going within this 'I', which means that this 'I' which is the basis for 'am' or 'not am' plays as 'I am'. And when it plays as 'I am', then there is waking and dream, and it is when the dissolution of this 'I am' happens that is sleep, you see.

Ananta

So also in terms of what Maharaj said, again, he is speaking, he has spoken various things. All of us have spoken various things. But what can seem confusing, or our confusion sometimes, is the speaking personally. 'Oh, I like to eat pasta for lunch,' you see. So obviously it cannot be awareness which is saying 'I like to eat pasta for lunch.' It is that 'am-ness', this being, is playing with all the conditioning which has a preference for a particular type of lunch. Then we can say that 'I am that I am'. I am the space in which all the phenomena is functioning, working. All of this is moving through me in the space of being, you see. So from this perspective we can say that I just am, and this human clay is allowed to play in itself because there is no individual entity or doer of that. This is what Maharaj was pointing to.

Ananta

And from the perspective of awareness, you... so now when you say that 'I can just be awareness and therefore be unconcerned with the world,' it is... we are talking about something which is separated by levels, you see, in the plane. Because that which is participating in the world is part of the appearance, part of the realm of being, this phenomenal play, you see. So awareness cannot open or close its eyes. It is the appearance of this body of Anil which is opening or closing the eyes. It is the appearance of this body-mind of Anil which people will call words or say useless or very useful or great or whatever, but awareness is not participating in that way, except that it is this being itself which is everything, you see.

Ananta

So when we speak of multiple levels in the same breath, then it can seem like confusion. So 'what do I do?' is not a question that awareness is asking. It is not a question that consciousness is asking. It is a question that consciousness playing as Anil, who has come to all of this understanding, is saying, 'Now what do I do with all of this knowledge and my day-to-day life? How do I integrate these two things?' You see? Better to drop this. Drop the 'Anil' and stay as you have been staying, and then you find that everything is functioning. The body-mind of Anil is functioning along with the rest of the world, just like the leaves are falling from the branches and flying in the wind. Who is controlling them? Nobody, you can say in this realm. But actually all of this is a projection in the light of consciousness alone. So what will happen through Anil's life, whether the eyes will be open, whether they will be closed, is not something that awareness is pondering, you see. All the movements that will happen from here will just be another play of the light of consciousness itself.

Seeker

Yes, yes, captured. I captured just like a particular aspect. So I have not moved out of the house for the last 25 days, not even out of the apartment. So sometimes I don't know why I'm just not able to go. I'm just not able to go out. I mean, even there for a walk, I'm not able to go out. You know, I am living on the 14th floor, so I don't know why I am not able to go. I'm just not able to go. And all that happened was maximum for six months I did not go out of my house. Yes, my body used to shake. There was so much fear. Even the, you know, bang of the door will keep my body trembling for 15 minutes. Those were kind of the sensitivities, I know. So like this, I mean, what I'm supposed to do now? Just accept it as the way the life is coming or overcome, you know, this... overcome this, you know, the sickness of the mind and to take the plunge or the... I mean, it is only in the mind. It is all... it is only a mind phenomena. So what to do?

Ananta

What I'm saying is that my feeling is that both the surrender and the anxiety will not last, you see. Either the surrender will last or the anxiety will last. My feeling is that the surrender will last. So it will then just surrender to the grace of Satguru Mooji Ji and through this body, and just don't make a judgment or a prediction or a conclusion about it, you see. If it is the true surrender, then all that is auspicious will happen then. So the dropping of this doership of what to do next is the surrender itself. So don't bring yourself to a particular perspective. Just don't know what the next day will be like and allow my Master's grace to flow through you and everything will just be exactly as it is meant to be.

Seeker

Thank you, Father. Thank you so much.

Ananta

I feel it's been a very beautiful satsang. And if you can drill down on the inquiry like we did today: I am aware. Who is this 'I' that is aware? How is it distinct from awareness itself? And also I feel that my response to all the questions that came today also, the last one, I feel is very useful because many times there can be these things like confusion of levels, you see. So sometimes we are talking about a different aspect and the mind says, 'But you are awareness,' you see. Whenever it comes to something personal, then you want to look at that. The mind says, 'But you are awareness, why are you bothered about this?' And then we want to look at awareness and just come to the recognition of who we really are, then the mind brings all personal things. So when we are continuing with satsang, we'll find that here we are able to recognize this trick of the mind and be able to distinguish between where the question or the pointing is coming from, from this level...

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