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What Is Left to Say That Is Not Already Spoken About? - 5th October 2017

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Ananta emphasizes that awakening is not about chasing radical experiences, but recognizing the unchanging witness that is already present. He guides seekers to drop false identities and positions, allowing life to flow spontaneously without the feverishness of spiritual seeking.

Awakening is not about the experience itself; it is the recognition of what you always were.
The difference between a sage and a regular person is that the sage takes no position.
Existence takes care of existence; you just have to let the moment take care of itself.

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Transcript

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Ananta

My field is bonded to somebody or something. Even you in satsang become asking questions if they have don't also last no quest. Of course it's not—of course there's nothing wrong with all things. Nothing wrong with being a mother, being in the relationship. But what you notice is that our one court can act as a trigger for conditioning to seem to be bracket so many previously strong levels. So yes, this is then it can play as if external events are there, emotions are there, thoughts are there; everything is giving you to this personhood back again. Everything seems to be confirming our personal reality. That's why the sages' pointings are so beautiful this way. What is it that remains unchanging? What is it that remains the constant witness to everything that changes? Because this medicine has been digested to some extent, then it doesn't become too long feverishness materially. Something can seem like it got picked up again and then actually in this place it is not opposed to energy. It doesn't have to be this way or that. Anything can continue to flow in the world, but that whole fish knows about identity. I must be this, I must have relationship, I must be mother—this 'I' is the invention of this 'I'.

Ananta

In writing, we can either says Father, no question here, just to sharing. Mom tells is not good since the last with incest descending when all our love and our blessings, our best wishes to the healing of our body. The Maya says you have answered emolia's, but can you speak of this persistent idea that awakening is a sudden experience and everything up till then is a preparation for it? You speak of this persistent idea that awakening is a sudden experience and everything up to them is in preparation for it, meaning actually nothing can be done for that. Laughing out loud. But there is this feeling everyone who truly we call away at this conversion, then they are doing their best to show us how simple that is already here now, but for them it was sudden. And let's really look at what it means, this awakening.

Ananta

Now there are two things. One is that which we call the awakening or that which we call the awakening experience. Now it is true that most of our teachers have told us that the awakening experience usually as it happened was a sudden shift in perspective and they say that they was not deceptive me that I could find it is like that. It is true that many have, in fact most have these kind of reports, and it is rare to have those who talk about this sober awakening where it was empty of a radical shift that happened in a moment. And yet it is also true that all those who had these radical shifts are now saying that it is not about that experience itself per se. It is just in that moment nothing happened except that I saw what I always was and you can also see that right here right now. So it's one of the conundrums of this play of consciousness. It is the conundrum in this appearance of this world inside. The Buddha himself, it is a lot of austerities and practices and then he said none of that is needed, just the middle part, moderation.

Ananta

So this is the way if the world seems to play. Actually in a saga we have you can say that there are many who are coming to this recognition in a very sober, not necessarily with a lot of fireworks, a lot of radical shifting. We see every day more and more clearing. So it feels like that at one level it is a conundrum, but it seems like most have had this kind of radical shifting and then they say but it is not about just that experience, it is about the recognition of who we are and not picking up the false condition. So if you were to look at it just in a simple way, what happens in that moment? What happens in that moment is that it is seen where there is no individual me here and it is seen that I am not a phenomenal object. Cannot find a location for yourself, cannot find the reference point for yourself. But that is true even now and yet this I mean it seems sudden. It can seem like we just caught up seemingly so attached to this container, the body. I have an object within this body, not an object this is what here at all. In fact it doesn't mean feel that the body is an object, I think is an object, this feels like everything is just like that.

Ananta

But the main point is that now as you are finding this about yourselves, it's completely possible to drop that which is false. So if you were to check now—this is what we do every day as we check now—we find that I'm not an object, I am not a limited thing. Most of us you find this only something I have this very radical sort of a week awakening experience. The assistant idea that everything is a sudden experience. Now there are many also who can have this weekly experience and have not yet awakened in the same using the same terminology, have not yet liberated from the conditions they have put on themselves. In fact there are some who had strong loving experiences and yet have gone too deeply spiritually egoistic conditions about themselves. So the awakening experience although very often is the end of the false conditioning about ourselves, many times it can also lead to a lot of new spiritual conditioning about everything up till then is a preparation for it. It can seem like that when we look at the lives of these sages. Many times it can seem like that at everything up till that point was preparation for it and then that we shift happen.

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Ananta

In fact that is the reason why I really share the story from here. It's just that sometimes of my children asked me with watched weight sincerity I cannot get myself to say no no chain but many times these things have become benchmarks for us. Something about it look at am I also said but for them it was sudden and toodaloo. So I would completely agree with the sample bomb but the total part is is really not too even if you look at the lives of the greatest ages you will find that many of them went into a period of silence where everything that was you know still the meaning was washed away wiped him not everything 99.9 with everything also becomes a condition. So second yes but to to know mostly in fact it has been that you notice that even for those who had sudden awakening experience opponent to prolonged periods of silence where the cleanup job continued in that silence.

Ananta

This actually strangely enough seems many who gave up the search like you even gave up on gurus yes this before then it happened. Maybe that's why property used to same you you know it's not for you in this life. So when you hear like that then this whole feverishness about freedom you know wanting wanting that ultimate bowl of milk talk so we and that he's sometimes simple see like we decided that book 10 will be called the simple scheme. So empty of this feverishness conditional do magicians create more room for you simple seem to take creates there is no one template that works thank you. If you just work like that then I would just tell everyone you know it's on you we'll just work like that if I found the magic pill but it is not there. There is no template for this that's why it is self address what is coming up intuitively and even then we don't know how life will play out in that particular case right.

Ananta

I got the report from someone the other day where they said that she used to attend satsang with somebody great shape and he said no you have too much and the person right now you leave and this happened maybe any many many decades ago and I just few beat the Hoover Dam message from her saying that since that day she feels like you in forsaken by God. So actually the feeling might have been to empty that seeker identity of all juice but it can also pick Rome we can also pick up new concepts because of it. So we can never predict how the in build upon thing is taken in the play of consciousness. I'm just pleased with it all the same pointing can lead to so much freedom but we also had somebody who probably watch this video so she is someone who told her that you it's not for you and that led to so much feeling of unworthiness and given like this. Sometimes the same medicine and this cure the infection will be too many side effects instead of consciousness. That is why the seat is actually their attempt is to meet you where you are meet where you are and then see what arises from there but how to play turns out even in spite of that nobody can ever really really this is very good she says just want to surrender this you ask what is the most persistent idea you for it is this one.

Seeker

This was a little strong and it does not settle mean I would say that I have my psychological - what box tomato Thalia still struggle with it but I the sharing was by Amaya was a beautiful video by hope inspire and it was called the pinnacle of human I mean pinnacle of non-dualism and it was by a 13th century Sufi saint I think who is a contemporary of room his name is even something beyond the book Bianca said that according to perspire this is the third-best London literature according to her oranges and so the plastic me away and I came to position I mean there is no position as such as I said this is nothing whatever these no God is no no universe is nothing whatever nothing to report and yet he would exist you know in in that I was feeling like you know there was probably there was me and you know it took me like you know I just finally disappear like dive into wherever it is deep in the middle of nowhere just being nowhere and then yet I knew that there is no appearance and there is no disappearing and the disappearance please new birth means no depth you just is it is just a second I mean it's not nothing is so dramatic everyday living itself is like its size it if you are not going away from awareness and if you are already aware that we are where these more trouble actually and that's the simplest thing I know that also but still you know something tries to grab you listening yeah grabs me Emma you have to help me but is very strong sometimes sometimes very subtle so I wanted then second retreat I believe that you could give it to me well now don't believe it because I'm already that you know there's no getting a new caving and I think and and then I said I want to see it is this journey sometimes very laugh of to educate and Rishikesh satsang also we experienced that it was just plain plain saying justice and so many so many people acknowledge that the GG and JJ can you hug me and and then I mean I mean I'm done and you said hi Mira I mirror him and it was like you know so much ecstasy having bholenath and we're all to the next all the but it it is meaningless this came from who is a contemporary or for me that Rupert was having from the beautiful look that Omkar all the same wait before we get to when you saw that all of this appearance no appearance all of this is nothing now how does that report change these chocolatey movements okay chocolatey moments have come and go on so suppose we leave all the moments of chocolate and all the other flavors aside then what was it that you find yourself to be that sees that it sees it that witnessing is it's pure witnessing there's nothing else now everything else so when you say that the conditioning gets me and you want my help with that what are you presenting yourself as right now the one who doesn't know how to deal with that is which one was saying that sometimes a week me experience is very helpful and consume like such a radical shift happened and sometimes experiences and we do okay I had it I lost you now I'm back to my condition so if there is anything ever what is important is what is it now what is the truth about you from your inside every right now there is nothing fundamentally about this and any other item in fact there is only this pick it up now so we played this game once which is very nice sometimes we don't say I we say call so for the last few days would happen it's not happen it's very rare for them to come something it is possible for some fee

Ananta

Okay, I had it, I lost you, now I'm back to my condition. So if there is anything ever, what is important is: what is it now? What is the truth about you from your inside, right now? There is nothing fundamentally about this and any other item; in fact, there is only this. Pick it up now. So we played this game once, which is very nice. Sometimes we don't say 'I', we say 'it'. For the last few days, what happened? It's not happened. It's very rare for them to come, something. It is possible for some feeling to come momentarily, some idea to come momentarily, there. 'I don't want this, it's meaningless.' And the more you see things for as they are, like when that energy is coming... so many times I've given these examples in satsang because of that, isn't it? If you can bring some attention to the space in which that energy is coming, then you will see that just like a tiny dot on this wall, in the unbounded space of existence, a small fluctuation is happening. And if you like, we are being shaken, but that which is past is not alone and not really anything to put some, you know... like everything in satsang, you change, taking care of naturally. Because many times clearing up could also be pushing it back in. Something has to be vomited. Nobody wants to vomit, but they do feel good after it is over.

Ananta

I want to tell you that there is all that you can do. I can tell you that everything that needs to be heard over there is nothing missing. You don't even need to supplement it with any sort of healing. Secondly, thinking that 'I have to take a position opposite of this particular energy and then clean yourself' or something like that—what if you were to welcome everything as a child? Is all of the creation of consciousness itself, yeah, a naughty child? You have to be careful about believing, which is the Maya. And I saw it, my... it's scotch life and dogs running away. I shall not interfere, maybe here support them if they need support. You cannot... the thing is, in this world we might decide many things, but there is no such thing as a true position. It's neither this nor that. You just have to let the moment take care of itself, existence take care of existence. Sometimes the supportive parent appears, sometimes indifferent parental pleasure, depending on how it is played out in different things. I'm not catering to every desire every time a child asks for chocolate. There is some parents who want to give all the time and some parents who say 'No, not good for you.' Nothing at all. When you're free from these positions and parenting, can this happen? So now, what is it that you find yourself to be? It's okay.

Ananta

There's enough chat there that I have to put on my glasses. Let's see what's happening. My first guru, Ananya says, 'My first guru in 2006 gave up on me, frustrated, and asked me to go away. She said that I will not get it in this lifetime and like a brick wall who does not let guru light pierce within. She was surprised why I come. The lineage was to awakening me within ten years. Everything changed.' And she says pretty much it's going to happen when consciousness plays out like that, and all the insights are also built into the play. Right, yes. Aparna says, 'It is going to happen when it will happen.' And then it says, 'Yes, all insights are built into the play.' Kabir Ji says he wants to come up in just a little bit. You can come. Kamiya says, 'Father, whenever you see right now, who are you right now? What is here right now? It slays everything, including the persistent idea I spoke of before.' Yes. He says, 'Thank you, thank you, thank you for the... for all these beautiful years. All has been said that I need to hear. Now it is just music that I love to listen to over and over. So much love, beloved.' It is only really true this moment, and all the years are now. Kabir wants to come, you can come.

Ananta

No, step-father, how do you hold a little one? She's finally doing very fast. So what happens once you have children, then everybody asks about them before they ask about you, right? Go ahead, and you feel good about it actually. This worked a couple of months now, yeah. She is about moments.

Seeker

So fundamental life is happening and it feels like, you know, there is no more such demand, no such interest, no such kind of special inclination towards anything. Reads spirituality, why I am getting, you're not getting. You're just like in spontaneity. Sun happens, everything is just, you know, appears and everything. But towards materialism, there seems to be, you know, a bit of a tension that goes away. And we're not planning about buying a new house, this and that. But from far away there is this knowing that, you know, this all is happening, appearing, right? And so there is a witnessing of this activity, you know, even though it is very fast, like these parts and then they move very fast. But then you can see that, you know, somebody is talking to something which is not there. Now all of a sudden this commentary and everything just keeps on running, running, running. And the moment, you know, you take a pause and look at it, all about vanishes and you know, gonna test this smile. So just wanted to probably, you know, put this at your feet. You know, I have, you know, talked to you, this felt like sharing this with you. Continuity most of the time, and a little bit of spice sometimes. The opposite or suffering means that I must have a projection about how things should be. And if you have a projection about how things should be, that is not spontaneous life. Seems to become family now. You have new videos, all these things are happening, and whatever tension and time goes on, colleges... sometimes planning seems to happen, which house to buy. These kind of things shake expand foundation which is there. Seems to be certain detachment for all the activity that is around. Like it feels like a big... these are just very tiny thoughts. Like you were saying, everything like, you know, that happens, good or bad, like this Las Vegas massacre happened, and there will be something that will be happening which feels like it's just a play. And there is not that, you know, intense interest in judging it or being just like, 'Okay, fine, it's happening.' And so sometime cat would happen at age selfishness, it is, you know, me that it's not with you, so you're not concerned. But it feels like even if it is with this body or with very close bond, it just like, 'Hey, it is.' I am something which is there, which I had no this body, and the old regulations are getting involved and having the interest in it. But you are there always, I mean. So this kind of keeps coming back, you know, with the flow of... feel like just being at your feet.

Ananta

I want to be a little bit naughty and say that no, I do so you and Father. I am just waiting. I was about to ask you, is that retreat finalized that's going to happen in December or January? It looks like I'll be there soon, Father, very soon. Thank you, thank you for everything. Jerome says, 'I like the wave vibration.' Kabir, what happened to you? Like a child, you have no exclusion. Those 14 years giggling, yeah, but like what? And then a couple of people commented like, 'It will happen when it can happen.' I just like kind of notice that this used to feel like really important to me. This is this question. There was incremental of interest in this question and it felt very real and like, yeah, I just don't care about the question anymore. Just feels like it doesn't apply. It sounds like her. Remember baby, the partner at one point here, neither we do about satsang bees in America. So, so I learn partner, we made this video that she now stays in America. So Stacey now has an Indian guru and he was trying to add this whole Indian accent, very, very fun. They get together and hang out every day, and then this Indian man, he walks in and he sits down and then what does he do? He just looks at you and he's fine. Then after five minutes, what are they doing? They just look at each other and smiling. To be certain is a good to see. See, you talked about fireworks, everything will be here, but with the police, without having what it is presenting itself to be inverted. Boozing is you mean you to be nice.

Ananta

So I say jokingly that the difference between the sage and the lay person, a regular person, is that other way should one abide in this emptiness or awareness of emptiness? Because if there is one that is abiding in something else, then that one is still limited projection that we are believing about ourselves. One of the versions of the beautiful Indian, I am safe saying that that version was of the mythological to use any sort of depiction of those play of spirituality that happens and to the temple. Mr. turns become like this. Usually when just before I'm about to take long week, you can just like this was there to even speak. Now everything has been spoken and I see you and happy, very happy. You're looking left to share it all, so shiny.

Ananta

Actually, I have to be honest and say that I really enjoyed the Italian villas rowdyism and this pointing about this being empty of all positions. I feel articulation that is happening from here, direct about it, clear about taking no prisoners in terms of, you know, allowing some concepts to creep in. Well, if you have been allowed to quit, I feel like just a little bit of this, if it is heard with some openness, all the struggle of the spiritual journey or the effort of time to be something, get somewhere, very simply enjoyed sharing that is arisen from this mouth. And also the resonance that I find in all of you, great joy. And that says, 'Dear Ananta Ji, I do have questions, just not coming in a concrete form yet.' Okay, I did. Oh yeah, then and she said, 'Well, do something due tomorrow.' If there are lots of Chan, do tomorrow. Said we recognize that if you keep quiet, either the questions go, we call, we get answered. Nancy says again, 'It all stems from not abiding in awareness.' Mooji says, Guruji says, 'Don't complain about the monkey on your back when you have a banana in your pocket.' And it says, 'There was a burden that I have to pocket something from satsang. It was like the passing an exam with good marks.' Yes, Father.

Ananta

Are you going to wait like that? I'm just feeling the flavor of pretty today and I'm feeling that is usually after long season when I take a break, the last few rounds, a lot... the last term usually has a lot of power and then full recap of everything. And just feeling like so relaxed. Not too much domestic questions coming, not too much clear watching, just very, very light, light, some slight clarifications, enjoy it directly. Damon, so maybe this time we should keep it like this as it is. So as answer this question, I feel like no, I'm not taking a break. I feel there's enough energy here, true, especially sunrise. No, only because I miss most of them because it's so early, then I feel bad that I missed. I actually don't, but I'm here if you better be. I'm eating with people right now. You can see, says it's more than words that you share. Yes, maybe some silent settings for a while. G1, this is GD, GD, GD, since mentioning Guruji's in tech tree, that is all I can hear. Some solution to broadcast or put on screen, I'm not sure if you have the link, that's a public. Okay, there's a question. Okay guys, I'm not clearing anywhere, so don't make up questions over here. Ah, okay, you know this new, he's not a stupid, so he's not making this up. 'Does a free being need to inquire from time to time, or is there a threshold after which it is reached, no more inquiry is required?' Video is not there, but I see.

Ananta

So you know what happens is, it because they eat natural, the inquiry is not something that you're doing like 'Who am I?' started that amount, do some mantras, which is becomes a part of existence in a way. Looking is some time you see it goes from 'Who am I?' to just 'Who?' to just 'What?' Just so actually what happens is here is that I find that every time a question is asked of me, I am looking. It becomes an inquiry for me where I am contemplating though. So if it is about 8 inches life, not operating from the concepts of what has been discovered even in the past. So once actually when I took a break, I told...

Ananta

Something like 'Who am I' started that amount, do some mantras which becomes a part of existence in a way. Looking is sometime, you see, it goes from 'Who am I' to just 'Who' to just 'Who' to just 'Who'. So actually what happens is here is that I find that every time a question is asked of me, I am looking. It becomes an inquiry for me where I am contemplating. So if it is about Atma, life is not operating from the concepts of what has been discovered even in the past. So once actually when I took a break, I told everyone what has happened is that you give me this established place to be and I'm contemplating every day, but you are not contemplating along with me. So I'm just not going to. So what happens is inquiry becomes like you're looking at something. You're looking at the play of attention, you're looking at Leela, and we're looking at awareness, that which is aware of existence. It is not some discovery that happened ten years ago, you see, not some experience that happened ten years ago and the words are coming from there. It is coming from live broadcast. It was just seen from there. So in that way, I can see the third body continues and also the insights continue. Every time I look, there could be a fresh seeing, like this, or the fresh way of articulating it arises. If you look at the expression of how it was four years ago when satsang started here and the expression how it is here now, there is seen to be so much more articulation that is here, so much more insight that has happened here. So this inquiry continues. In fact, it becomes a very natural part of our existence, but not with that formality of having to ask, you know, particularly 'Who am I' or do it like a practice or something.

Seeker

Father, please may I share an experience when I gave Sonali your wishes yesterday? Yes, my dear. So you know, just as you asked, 'Can you tell her?' and then the satsang ended and I pick up the phone and she's in Goa with her family and I told her. And you know, Father, she was like, 'It's so beautiful.' But in my saying it to her, I suddenly just experienced like this whole expanse of universe where it was like this presence of Guruji was felt so strong. It was like Guruji was right there and then it was you. I mean, it was like no difference, but it was just very beautiful. I mean, I'm feeling blessed for having just given your message to her and thank you so, so much.

Ananta

Fairness is disappearing, cobra snake now. So that... oh my dear, belated happy birthday to you. How to log in from Goa to satsang is also quite something. So varied, and I didn't realize you joined just now. I didn't see you, no. Look at Saloni, that goofy smile is back. Mr. Grumpy Face is gone. I don't invite him back. Thank you all so much for being in satsang today. Satguru Sri Moojiji Ki Jai. Satguru Sri Anantaji Ki Jai.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.