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Waking and Dream States Happen Within Beingness - 17th August 2016

August 17, 201617:0048 views

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Ananta explains that both waking and dream states are appearances within the space of one's own Being. He guides the seeker to let go of mental concepts to realize that everything exists within the 'I Am'.

The body is actually enclosed within the 'I Am', not the other way around.
The only choice you have is to not believe or identify with your stream of thoughts.
In the emptiness of the mind, you find great spontaneity and true insight rather than robotic stillness.

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Transcript

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Seeker

It's a question about the dream and the waking state. I was contemplating more like it, Father. When we are sleeping, this physical body is at rest; it's like still. But in there—I mean, when you're sleeping...

Ananta

Let's pause for a second. When we are sleeping, is it our experience that there is a physical body? No, there is no such experience.

Seeker

But in the dream, we see so many characters. And then there is a dream, and then there is a dream body. Yes. And the I Am-ness is felt in the dream body of mine, but not in the other characters. I see so many faces, so many people around, but that I Am, the sense of I Am-ness, is felt only on that particular dream body which I say is me. But basically, this dream is only seen by me. Even my friends, even my relatives and husband, they can't see it; just I am seeing. So it's taking everything inside this 'me', but the I Am-ness is felt only in a particular character of the dream body, that is my dream body. And then I am awake. When we say it's the waking state, I see so many characters, but the sense of I Am-ness is felt in this body. So Father, I am not finding any difference between this dream and the waking state. As a dream, I just say I have seen it, but everything was happening within me. I have this waking state and I Am-ness is felt in one particular body. No difference. How do we say it's a dream? There is no difference. I don't know the right words.

Ananta

No, it's very good. It is so. There is no difference. When we are in this realm, this state, because this is the waking state and that which was experienced earlier we call the dream state. Now, on that which we call the dream state, if there was some memory of this, then we would call this a dream, isn't it? But the I Am-ness is also its thoughts, and it was felt in the dream state also. There was an I Am-ness inside a dream body.

Ananta

Let's look at this point a little bit closely because it can seem like the I Am-ness is experienced within the body. We can understand what you mean by that because it can seem like the origin of the sensation 'I Am' for most of us seems to be in the heart region. That's why Bhagwan called it the Heart itself, you see? Remember, when he used the word Heart, he was referring to this point of origin of the sense 'I Am'. But just because it can seem like it is a point of origin or the point where the flame ignites doesn't mean that it is restricted to that. You can feel like it is enclosed within this body, but actually, once you look at it without any mental conceptions, you will see that it is the body actually which is enclosed within this I Am. The sensations of the body, the visual of the body, is experienced completely within this presence I Am. You cannot say that it is outside of you.

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Ananta

But we experience so much more within this sense I Am, not just restricted to the boundaries of this body, but also the seeming external world is also experienced within me. This same me, the same I Am-ness. So as we start to check like this, you will see that the dream state is all happening within you, within the space of your Being, within the same I Am. And this waking state is also happening all within the same I Am, you see? See if you can find the boundaries of this I Am-ness. You will find that you cannot find these boundaries, and everything is actually enclosed in this. All time and space is within me. So in reality, both the dream state and the waking state are just the appearance of various energetic realms within the space of Being, within the space of me. Everything is within me; there is nothing outside of this.

Ananta

And we are all getting these insights now, you see? All that we have to do—seemingly have to do, even that is not a doing ultimately—but the choice that we seem to have is only the choice to let go of our mental concepts. I have been calling it our 'mental replicas'. How to let go of our mental replicas, mental concepts? Not to believe what our thoughts are telling us. Then we will find that this is coming. Like yesterday I was saying, and many of you might have missed that because it was after a long question-answer session, so maybe I can repeat that a little bit. You see, most of us in our life are meeting ideas about what we are seeing. We are meeting an idea about what we're seeing. So when you see a computer in front of us, we are meeting the label 'computer' and the description that you already have about this computer. You see, it is like this, it is used for this, I use it to connect. And when we meet a person also, we are meeting a replica of that person that is created both as an image and a description. So most of us are meeting it like this.

Ananta

Now, as we are letting go of our thoughts, then our reliance on these conceptual replicas is reducing and we are meeting what is appearing as it is, without interpretation. And in this itself, life becomes a lot more spontaneous, lot more joyful, peaceful. Not necessarily only these emotions should come, but usually, you see, you're meeting everything as it is without preconceived ideas and notions, or newly conceived ideas and notions also. Just fresh. And you see that attention becomes a lot more clear because it is not diverted between the mind and what is appearing. Then this is what happens as we let go of our mental replicas: then the insight comes—and it does not have to be in this order, I am just trying to make it simpler—but then the insight that comes is that all of this that is appearing is all within this one space of Being that I Am. There is no appearance without this I Am. Everything is shining with the light of this I Am. It is this one Atma, one Being, in the presence of which this entire phenomenal Leela, phenomenal play, starts and also concludes, appears and dissolves within this one space of Being. It's a beautiful insight. We see that everything is just what it is, and all of it is a part of me, within me, this play I Am.

Ananta

Then this universality comes. Then we speak with the voice of God: 'I Am that I Am.' Then what can happen is that there is a sense that can come which says even this sense I Am, and all that is appearing and disappearing within it, I am aware of. And this Awareness seems to be untouched and unconcerned by even this play of I Am that I Am. And although to the mind this seems like a seeming duality, but actually it is the play of One. We see that this Awareness is I, unchangingly I, and in its play, it is playing as Being. It doesn't mean that they are two separate entities. It doesn't mean that there is an entity at all. Yet qualitatively, when looked from within this space of Being, it does seem like they operate qualitatively differently. Just in the same way as Shiva and Parvati are one ultimately, and there is a representation of that. Same way that Yin and Yang are one, not two, yet the Yin and the Yang seem to be playing qualitatively differently. Being is the sense of existence, the immaculate phenomena. The sense of Being, the sense of existence, is also born within the non-phenomena where even the sense of existence cannot be found.

Ananta

And with this unity that I Am—this Awareness aware of even Being, which also I Am, which is the I Am itself—actually all of these insights, all of this direct experience, direct seeing, you'll have just with this first step, which is to let go of any mental replica, any mental concept that we have about anything at all, including this teaching, including this pointing. Then you will see that all of this flow is very natural, very beautiful. So as Bhagwan said, if there is a sense of a choice maker, if there is a sense of a choice, the only choice that you must make is to not go along with your stream of thoughts. What does it mean not to go along? Not to believe them, not to identify with them. So as you are letting go of this mind, you're having these insights that there seems to be no difference between my dream state and this waking state. This is completely true. Both are just projections within Being, of Being itself.

Ananta

And I can tell you that just in this simple first step—not going along with the mind—you find that even that which we call the quality of life will be drastically different. Pain will continue, but that which we call suffering, psychological suffering, will not persist for too long, even though it might come up once in a while, especially if something has been suppressed for long periods of time, something which has been strongly believed in the past. And you must not resist this releasing. So allow all that has to come out to come out. But you will find that in the emptiness of the mind, you will find great spontaneity, great simplicity, which is not empty of these insights; it is full of these beautiful insights. Because it can seem like if I'm empty of the mind, then I will never learn anything, all will become so stale and robotic. It is the opposite, actually. Everything becomes so fresh and wonderful, and true understanding comes, true insight comes, not just a conceptual idea of things, isn't it?

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