Unlabelable - 22 Apr 2015

There is nothing for you as a person to do or achieve. And I'm not against any doing or achievement. I'm not against doing or achievement, but the sense of being a doer or an achiever, only the sense of personhood. That sage, he said once that the mind tells the potter... no, the potter uses the mud to make his pot. So the mud tells the potter, 'What are you doing crushing me? I am your clay. So there will be a day where I will be crushing you.' That inevitability is true for all. All identities must die. Not just the body; the identity also. Let it die now. To let this identity die now is what is called waking up in the waking state. Yes, to be awake in this dream which we call the waking state.

Yes, because says, 'Father, is this what the sages say: Die while living?'

Die while living, exactly. All that can die, let it die.

Yes, my dear. I just felt to come up. Yeah, very good. I don't really know why, I just felt to come up for him. And he said, he said, 'Nothing, nothing, nothing.' There, there's just nothing. Yes. And then, yeah, somehow I feel like it's that's killing me and I don't even know what I mean by that.

That's good, because all that can die like this, it's very auspicious. We don't even realize sometimes what is going on.

No, I don't know what's going on. I just feel it. So, yeah. Hmm.

Because you have handed over your existence to Grace, and now Grace is doing what you truly want in your heart, which is your freedom. Freedom from this false identity. And many times when you hear that you are nothing, if you're like this, 'You are nothing, everything is just nothing,' then something gets jumpy. Something starts feeling crushed a little bit. See, but you say that 'I don't know what that is,' and it's all happening on its own. This is very good. Very good. Yeah, it's all happening on its own. In fact, our entire lives have been happening on their own. Our entire lives have only always been happening on their own. Maharaj used to say that the ego comes later and says, 'Oh, I did this. Why did you do this?' So, post-facto claiming of something which is happening.

I'm still here. Is it really expensive? Something being crushed, but it's not... it's not me. It's... yeah. Yesterday we've been talking about the body, I really... so it's just that, it's just my body. There's nobody here.

You can tell that there is no body, or we can say that this body is as much a part of the realm of appearances as everything else. Yeah, this is very good because many times it feels like when I say 'the appearances,' everyone feels that everything except the body is an appearance. But the body is very much included. Very subtle.

Yeah, I'm just so grateful. Thank you.

And then in the morning you wake up and you will have a sense of wonder about this body also. You look at your hand and say, 'Oh, you're still here. It's okay. This has been an interesting story so far. Let's see what happens in the next minute. What's going to come up to see?' And you see the beautiful movement of Grace, which the mind could never understand. This supreme intelligence called Grace is moving so beautifully. Everything is planned with this supreme intelligence to the minutest detail, but it hardly ever conforms to the mind's plan. That's why the mind feels like the world is random. But if you really look at it from the true perspective, I find nothing that is random here. All is moving in its own beautiful flow. Even the mind resisting is part of it. Even the delusion and the freedom from the delusion are all part of the play.

It's just that one voice has been given the designated responsibility, it seems, to point towards the true nature, and another voice has been given the designated responsibility to confuse you as a person. Just that these two voices... one is called your heart, which is pointing you towards the truth; another is called the mind. And the voice which appeals to you more, that is the seeming path which you walk. But only one voice is taking you to the point where no more voices are then required.

And then find it. Even when I get lost now, you know, you know, that's okay too.

Yes, it comes and goes because reality is unchanging. You are in reality; you're not changing.

Yeah, I just see, 'Oh, I've just been a bit lost,' and no, I just see that I've just been a bit lost, but it's like it never really happened.

Because you as awareness, you as being, cannot really ever get lost, even though lost and found is happening as part of your own play inside you. All of this is about you, and all of this is nothing. Thank you.

Thank you, Father. Thank you. Namaste. Let all identity here die and burn in your presence, beloved Father, and let it all run.

Yes, it's burned. Some twigs, burning twigs might appear once in a while, but you come to satsang and they are also doused. It's all of you in the light of your own seeing now. Especially for those who have been in satsang for a while, nothing, none of these egoic tendencies can survive. No identity can survive in the light of your own seeing. Something tries to come up once in a while, but it cannot last. Once you've tasted the nectar of your own presence, then no worldly matter will entice you anyway. It's like finding diamonds when you don't go running about in the world digging for stones or something. No taste can beat the taste of your own being, and then the world cannot tempt us anymore. And the world makes itself available as your servant, and the one who runs the world is in service to you. Yes, it's like finding a stream of diamonds at our own heart, then going begging on the streets.

Yes, yes, Father. It cannot survive. Our in-house physicist and mathematician says, 'My new favorite equation: openness in the heart plus Father equals freedom.'

Openness in the heart plus Father equals freedom. Inescapable, actually. Openness in the heart equals Father equals openness. It's all that is needed because this voice will appear to you in whatever form. When there is openness for the truth, then you cannot escape these words. It can come in any different form. It can seem to be embodied in different bodies, but actually it is the same Father. And that's why very often I say that suffering is a great ally for the truth. And maybe suffering is the greatest ally to the truth because openness rarely comes without suffering. This openness is tested throughout this seeming process. This openness is tested throughout.

Sometimes I find that the ones who are fresh in satsang are the most open, and then with more knowledge, with more understanding, we get more and more closed. But this openness is very important because this one also has to be shown to be this person who seemingly has understood something also will have to let go. Don't rely on any knowledge, on any intellectual understanding. It has its place and it's served its purpose. Nisargadatta Maharaj is one of the best examples of this because he was just a small merchant selling these small cigarettes called bidis in a small shop in Mumbai. He didn't have any education of this sort. He just went to his master and the master said, 'Just stay with the presence I am.' There was so much openness that this instruction, this pointing, was taken without any conditions or doubts. With this openness, this pointing was taken, and then in a short time such beautiful words started emerging from his mouth, from the mouth of this body which is uneducated. And his words have become like a great scripture, and yet not relying on known objects because you will speak only what you see, and what is seen is so clear and available in every moment.

If you were to rely on knowledge or understanding to share satsang, that would be so much work. Many still ask me when I go to a new place... when I was in Pune, my in-laws were saying, 'So have you prepared? What are you going to speak? What is the topic for today?' And that's understandable because that's how most of the world feels, isn't it? That if you have to go and speak somewhere, you must have something to prepare. But that seems like just too much work. And why? If the truth is real, it must be here. And the truth can use this mouth to speak, and then we have no concern about what the mouth is saying. Then we let it just be. Because sometimes your own mouth will take you by surprise with the words that come out.

My daughter is saying, 'Thank you, Father. Thank you too.' Very good. She also attends satsang with me. All your grace.

This is very sweet. I remember my daughter was probably about the same age when we went to guruji first. She'd be a little younger also. She says, 'Father, may I always come to satsang fresh, empty of knowledge, open.' This openness is very auspicious because the primal tendency of the mind is to say that 'I got it, I'm understanding more and more.' But nobody ever knows whether they're just at the first step of this spiritual awakening or this freedom, or they are at the final step. And nobody ever knows how many steps there are. And the final step is the realization that there were never any steps. But it cannot just be a mental realization. There's a seeing that 'I have always been this.' Sometimes the mind will paint a picture of us and say, 'Look how high you've come.'

The natural tendency of the mind is to say that 'I got it, I'm understanding more and more.' But nobody ever knows whether they're just at the first step of this spiritual awakening or this freedom, or they are at the final step. And nobody ever knows how many steps there are, yeah? And the final step is the realization that there were never any steps. But it cannot just be a mental realization; there's a seeing that 'I have always been this.' Sometimes the mind will paint a picture of us and say, 'Look how high you've come, how high you've come.' Then you look down and you're laughing at the others, saying, 'You guys, you're still struggling with all of this? Just drop it, you know, it's simple.' And then next day something happens and you feel like, 'I'm at the bottom of the ocean.' This is grace, yes. Because if you say nothing can ever be complete, it is because it has never been incomplete. Yes, the concept of completion is just another concept that was just a thought believed.

And yet, very beautifully as Priya said, just to witness every day, it seems like the magnetism of this person idea seems to reduce. But it's so clearly visible that it is all in the imagined. The person never existed. We have given our imagination to this idea; we have given our imagination to this idea of person and given it to belief that it is this person's life. And a lot of seeming investment has happened into this. That is why when you go to the world and we say that, 'Are you open to looking at the person?' it is rarely the case, because it is the person itself that wants to find freedom without realizing that true freedom is freedom from the concept of personhood. That which is pretending to look for freedom is the one that needs to be set free. That which is pretending to look for freedom is the one that needs to be set free. So let it go, just let it fail into the air because it was always just mythical.

All your wants, all your desires, all your aversions, all your needs, all your attachments—this is going to be eaten up like this fire of satsang. Can you bear this emptiness? Because for a short period of time it will feel like this emptiness is too much, but it is not too much. Don't pick up any story. The emptiness is full, empty. And then when something appears, where is that? So it is just appearing, you can say within you, in front of you, that's okay, that's just words. But nothing that appears then can touch you because you realize that you're always just noticing. You are completely empty of all phenomena and yet all phenomena emerge from you. You are this infinite emptiness. This infinite emptiness in which this entire universe is nothing but a grain of sand. No mind can ever fathom this magnificence that you are, of this infinite emptiness in which an entire universe is not even a grain of sand.

But if this was always clear to you, then how would you have ever enjoyed this game? This entire game would always be clear, with no interest. If you knew this earlier—that 'I am that in which this whole universe means nothing, not even a grain of sand'—how could you ever have enjoyed this appearance? No. How could we ever have enjoyed this building and had interest in it? That is therefore why you must have given yourself this power of belief, knowing that you are untouched.

But I do not want to believe or disbelieve anything. Is this a good approach?

Don't be anything. Don't be a believer, don't be a skeptic. Be neutral. This is called neutrality, which is being nothing. So then if you see that you understand no thing, you see that you are no thing, then who will you call a believer or a skeptic? Who needs to believe or not this, or disbelief? And then this true neutrality which you are speaking of will be seen. As long as there's still a person holding up either the believer or the skeptic identity, it is bound to get shattered. You see yourself as what is present now, like you saw yesterday with this, and don't pick up any personal attributes. It is again the voice of the mind trying to put a label on that which is unlabelable. Unlabelable. I'm sure that the first time this word has appeared. You're not laughing at my jokes as much as before these days, as you can see now.

Oh really? I need the attention.

It can seem like that, but actually what is happening is that, well, meaning all the energetic presence, transmission, everything aside, what is really happening is that you are no longer giving your attention to the distraction, the distracting energies. Because here you find that the presence is just here, so it's easy. It's like when you're sitting next to Arunachala and sitting next to the beautiful Ganga. And the skeptics will say, 'But there's nothing, it's just a hill.' The skeptics will say, 'It's just a river, it's just part of the appearance, part of the Leela.' But it just happens that around some of these energetic places like this, there seems to be so much power which has this ability to dissolve all this mind activity. So we decide that when you go to these holy places you don't need to meditate, because meditation is happening on its own. And this is the living experience. So the mind can keep arguing with it, but this is how it plays out anyway.

Same thing happens in the presence of the Master, but the Master is pointing you to the true Satguru in your heart, which is your presence itself. That is why it's good that you come to life. Yes, it cannot happen all the time because if some experience, no matter how sublime it is, if you have your favorite... what do you like to eat? What's your favorite dish?

Prawns.

Okay, so you love prawns. Can you eat them all the time? No. In the same way, you cannot keep drowning all the time. For anything that is experienced—say this is a favorite piece of music, 'I love this mantra' or some music or something—can you hear it all the time? Put it on for three days and by the end of the third day, please, never again. Physical experiences, you say, 'I love this physical experience.' Can we have it all the time? Within half a day, finished, no more. Beautiful beauty that you can see through the eyes—keep staring at anything beautiful, how long will you see it? You'll get bored of it soon enough.

The mind says, 'But this should stay all the time.' If this presence or something should stay all the time... the presence is here all the time, but sometimes it is accompanied by too much love, too much peace, what you call that drowning. And this beautiful flow, then you start trusting the waiter who's bringing these to you, and you're not ordering all the time. Okay? That this which I had, I want to eat that. In trusting life, you're trusting and saying, 'Okay, maybe it needs a break. Enjoy coming back, enjoy.' You know that these too will pass. Everything which is coming is good. Nothing is coming or sticking except you. You would not know the taste of sweetness if it was only sweetness that we were eating all the time. It needs a contrast for it to be joyful. If prawns are going to be served in and day out in your house, then you will want to go out for something else. So don't feel ever that life should be monochromatic.

Suppose that you picked up a book and in the book the protagonist was just happy. He woke up, he was so happy; throughout the day he was happy; he went to sleep, he was happy. And every day is just the diary of this man. He is just the diary of this man. How long will you read this book? 'I wake up happy, whole day I'm happy, I go to sleep happy. Nothing is ever happening to me.' Day one, day two, day three... you'll say, 'Man, do something! Have some excitement in your life!' You know, 'Why am I reading this book?' Then we have all of this that comes, all this challenge, drama came, this happened to me, and you know, you want to read all these stories. And at the end you want a happy ending, which is to come back. This is how we entertain ourselves. Through contrast, we really enjoy joy. And also there can be no attachment to including joy, because your mind will come and push this button even where is the choice. It's like, you know the destination, then you're comparing with your yesterday. Yes, no need for all of this benchmarking. Just the waiter called life, take whatever it is, and no troubles. Even if there's some preference, even if there's some questions, that is no trouble. But don't be attached to that. There's a preference that 'I want to be happy,' nothing wrong. I'm not saying that I don't have these preferences, but sometimes it feels like it is not available in the restaurant. You say, 'Okay, whatever you got is okay with me.' This is what I mean by surrender. Thank you.

And then life becomes like this, wonderful in the field. Everything available, but not you as a person. All life is in service to you in reality. If nothing is in service to you, that is why they say the blessing. You can be the witnessing of you, yeah? So it may be missing, it doesn't hurt you. The witnessing is untouched by any content.

The scriptures, all arrogance at your feet, Father.

Pranam. Google says, 'Father, I surrender all my fears and desires, including this surrender.' Thank you very much. What is that which is unlabelable? It is truly like this. Even awareness—the word awareness cannot really convey what you are. Even witnessing, seeing, doesn't truly convey what you are. Because we have to use some words, some thorns to remove the previous thorn, we use these words. But the truth truly is never conveyed in any label because you cannot just be a label. You must be.

Let's see. This is openness. 'Replace me with you.' The prayer: 'Replace me with you.' If I am here, then everything is my problem. If you are here, you cannot have a grievance, you cannot have a real problem then. Thank you. This is yes, yes Father, 'Replace me with you.' Google itself, 'Replace me.' And I also says, 'Love that word.' David said, 'New one for the dictionary.' Thank you. But what did you say? There's something added, the way you say it. Well, you know, I start the word and I don't know when it's going to end. Life. Thank you. He said that we have a satsang cat today too. So good. So there are two cats.

I need to close my eyes. He said that he feels nice now, but it only seems to happen when the eyes are closed. And he says that, 'I would like to keep this even when I'm driving on the roads. How can I keep it?' Look, what I'm pointing to is not even this niceness. It's not even this. This you don't need to keep. Everything that is coming is going. You are ever-present. So the awareness of this niceness, the feeling of niceness, this awareness is untouched by this niceness. Still, the person who is saying that 'I now feel nice,' thank you. So this is how attachments start. You see that? 'Yes, nice. At the same time, please close my eyes and such beautiful feelings came.' That's beautiful. I hope the next session is also like that. You know, the next session when you come, then sometimes lots of frustration can come, anger against me can also come. You're feeling nice, then it seems unfathomable, but it is very much possible that strong things come because this is just all the pent-up things which get released. So just be you, be open, and see that you are not touched either by this state or by any other state. You are untouched by even this. And the best time to check this is when it feels nice, because when you're as it is agitated about something, the mind is very strong and you'll refuse to look. Now there's some feelings of calmness; this is the best time to look and see, 'Actually, even this calmness, I am not that. Even this feeling of nice, the witnessing is unconcerned about it.' Then this is freedom, because you are free from the play of any states which are constricting. Freedom cannot be a state where you are constricted, where you are attached to a particular state. Freedom must be freedom from states also. Thank you.

Just simply witness what is arising. Very often the mind can bring some strong resistance into these moments of silence. Very often if you are outside the hangout and you're watching from YouTube and there are long periods of silence, the mind can come and say, 'Oh, this is now a little boring. Maybe let me check my email or something.'

Freedom cannot be a state where you are constricted when you are attached to a particular state. Freedom must be freedom from state. Just simply witness what is arising. Very often the mind can bring some strong resistance into these moments of silence. Very often, if you are outside the hangout and you're watching from YouTube and there is long periods of silence, the mind can come and say, 'Oh, this is now a little boring. Maybe let me check my email or something. Let me see what's happening on Facebook.' But this silence is like the young children in India; they sit through all the rituals and all of that because they know they will get the sweeties at the end, because we know they'll get some nice sweets at the end which is called the Prasad. So if you sit through all the words but don't sit through the silence, then you're actually missing the Prasad. We did all the walking to climb up to the top of the temple and we got there and he said, 'Okay, let me start walking now.' With this silence, you'll get it from here. Leave it from here to within your game. You will be completely used to this emptiness.

As you drink through silence, you will find that time just becomes a concept and this becomes a concept. Every once in a while, you will have to check back with the time to see how much it has moved, because for you it stops moving and you're completely present with the movement of time. It means nothing to you. Stephen says, 'When one is telling, let your life be something for God to do. If there is anything to do, let God provide the energy for it to happen.' Yes. 'A strong, strong fear in form of refusing in the chest arises like a bad smelling ball or something. The fear: what if God does not put my life in the direction I want? This is so strong. Why is it that I give in and let me get taken over by this?'

This is a very good question and this is at the root of a lot of fear. This is at the root of a lot of fears because what is the feeling in this? The feeling is: if I surrender to God, what if he makes a mess out of my life? How do I know? Maybe he'll just mess it up. I don't want to live like a beggar. This reminds me of a beautiful story that Mooji Ji shares. He says that even in his case, this kind of fear would come very strongly and he would have very specific fears because maybe he was an artist, he had a very imaginative sort of mind. So he would feel that if he was to get freedom, if he was to surrender, then he will become like a hunchback like Quasimodo. He says a hunchback like Quasimodo and begging for alms on the road with the hunchback. So the mind can come up with these sort of fears, you see, and it's very natural for it to come.

But what is happening here is that we are realizing that it is only God who has already been running our life. It has never been a person. There has never been a person. How do we know this? Right now we checked and we find there is no person. I feel sensations which are of the body. I feel a sense of presence which is the sense 'I am' and yet who am I still? I am this awareness which is aware of presence, which is aware of what we need, which is everything, which is yes, me as awareness completely untouched by any of this. And if I am this, then who is that that I have pretended to be? Where is that person? Where is that one? We can find no trace of this ego, this person. If I find no trace, did we see that you just imagined it? And it is not possible for something which was just imagined to be running my life.

This is just like the other day I was telling Rajesh, and since then I've been repeating because I feel it is very useful actually. All right, imagine that there is a 30-year-old woman. Give her all the attributes you want in your mind because in reality, she is not there. And then ask her to get you a glass of water. Is it possible? This is exactly the same thing that we do. We imagine ourselves to be a person and then say that this person has been running my life. If you just imagine—when I say imagine, this is not something which is an exaggeration of any sort. It is not an exaggeration of any sort. This person has always been imagined just like this, and we say that this one has been running life. Now the discovery is there has been no such person. So who's been running life? It must be life itself. It must be being itself.

But then so much power will not go through the direction of life. The direction of life will not be so much of concern to you because you see that right now you cannot be touched. Every time you check, you cannot be touched. Then who is concerned about the direction of life? How does it matter which content is coming or not? So it is still this personal identification which tries to play out in this way by painting these horrible pictures for you. 'What's going to happen to my life? I don't like... oh, I don't want to become one of those others in Rishikesh.' This is just the mind.

And Stephen says, 'It seems related to my special relationships, especially with my wife. It seems so real.' Exactly. I don't know whether you're making a reference to that Mooji Ji satsang where this one came to him and said, 'I can see that I am not real,' and she was referring to the person. He said, 'I can see that I am not real, but I can never get myself to believe that my husband is not real.' It means everything he does, everything he says, seems to come from this person. Because there's no person here, and how can there be a person there? Because then it is Consciousness only which is complaining against Consciousness.

Stephen says, 'I see it and it is becoming clearer and clearer that it is not me, but it feels like I am in this cloud of bad smell. Not touched, but somehow it's hard to be not touched.' But somehow they are used to this feeling that what is appearing is me. But we cannot find any 'me'. Whatever the cloud might be, it might be the darkest, it might be the smelliest, or it might be the best, it is still just an appearance for you. It is you that says it is me. It can never really leave. And you can say, 'It's like I try to swim and paddle to stay on the surface and drinking salty water waves.' No imagination. You don't give so much power to any imagination because the mind will say, 'Yes, let me paint this visual for you. This seems like it is happening to you.' It's giving you just more and more distraction. So just let go of all imagination. Forget about cloud, forget about waves, forget about the sea. Just tell me what you are right now.

And right now there could be these appearances. You can use the awareness of them. Why are you inside the appearances? Are you only the content of your appearances? Are you the pure witnessing of them primarily? Then you say, 'Cannot join Handler as she scrolls around.' You can join, but here it is more stable. If she scrolls around, it's okay. You see, many times my kids will also come in. Sometimes they'll be passing me a note and sometimes they will be pulling my hand to come away. Well, this is okay. I know how it is. You don't have to be concerned about it. And you say, 'Right now I am aware and this awareness is the truth. This is unchanging. I am before all this.' Very good, very good. And you can never become the object of the appearance, then no appearance will bother you so much.

And yet I have no judgment about her because as many of you know, my mother has been very spiritual all her life. And for most of my life I've teased her and said, 'You go to your satsang, you know, it's just a cult. What is this God thingy? It's just made up.' So I know that voice very well. But when something awakens inside her and says, 'What am I doing here? What is the purpose of this life?' then you will find that she will also have this unshakable urge to come to satsang. It doesn't have to be to this one; it could be in a completely different form, but the truths will always prevail. So you will be just concerned about finding your true self and let Grace take care of all the others that need to be taken care of.

Stephen says, 'I sit around and listen to satsang instead of doing something.' Yes, I know this very well. In fact, once I read out—and my family was very concerned—after I first met Mooji Ji, I sent them letters and my family was very concerned that I'm not having any interest to do any work and just sitting. To them, I was seeming depressed actually, and I was the happiest I was, happier than I'd ever been. But to the external world, it seemed like I've gone into some sort of a phase, joined some cult, become depressed, lost track of life. It was seeming like this and I know it can seem like this. If you write to me on Facebook or on my email, I will send you Mooji Ji's response which is very beautiful. We also have a video about it where I read it out, so we can send you that link also. I'm sure it will be very useful. You must be able to hear.

Giovanni says, 'My kids say the same. All I do is watch what's happening, that I am a boring mom.' Just sharing for Stephen. Thank you. This boring mom is very auspicious for them, although they will not realize it. A boring mom is very good. My mother actually tells me a story now very often. She says whenever the family complains to her about me—we wait for this plane to fly past, it's too small to say that. So on the topic of moms, now when my family goes and complains to her about me, that I have such a boring life, she says that she talks about her master and she says that he said that 'When I first became, I got initiated into becoming the guru for my group, then I started sharing satsang and there's a huge success, you know, 100,000 people at least.' So the kids would say—there was a PTA meeting and the kids said to the guru that, 'Please, when you come, please come as a normal, regular father. Please don't come as this guru.' And yet all these roles can be played with no trouble. Yes, your kids are so blessed with your instruction even if they don't see it.

Strong pointer: not only is reality unlabelable, but the problem arises when I label what I see. Yes, must allow the seeing to happen without any labeling. And you can just play with this also. You can just look at any object and see how the mind has this tendency to label it. And if you're not buying the label, then it cannot touch you. Then you cannot give it the sense of reality.

Stephen says, 'I am surrounded by much person and ego, especially in life in Turkey.' Is also there in Turkey. I wonder where you are. Maybe both of you can connect and, you know, meet up. In fact, my wife and I have been feeling to go to Turkey also sometime. That's okay. Don't have this feeling that, 'Oh, I'm surrounded by nobody who understands, I'm all alone.' It's very good like this. This flowering of true realization can happen no matter what the external situation. You don't have to be in an ashram, you don't even have to be in a Sangha, although it can be very supportive to be in this online.

Isabella says, 'Yes, Father. Yes, please, Father, I would also like the link.' Yes, we had this video, isn't it? We made this video a highlight, so we will post it again. Ethan says, 'Would it be good for me to leave this space?' No, nothing in the world we need to renounce. I am not—I have never said renounce the world. I never said go live in a cave. Only renounce your next thought. It is enough. Why you want to renounce so many other things? Your next thought. What does it mean? Just don't give it your belief. A given thought can come, attention can go to it, it can seem real, but you refuse to give it your belief. It is not difficult. It is definitely much easier than switching countries.

The thought says, 'Sometimes it's very difficult.' It's just another thought. Yes, and in those times also, just don't believe the next one. Forget about all the entanglement. The next one which is coming, it's always easy to withdraw our belief. And if something is really strong, then use that as fuel for your inquiry because it is pushing some identity, the strongest identity usually. So find out: who is this identity? Where does it live? What is the address? Let me find it. You will find that it will just fade away. Very welcome message from Jenny. Jenny says, 'Namaste, Father.'

And in those times also, just don't believe the next one. Forget about all the entanglement. The next one which is coming, it's always easy to withdraw our belief. And if something is really strong, then use that as fuel for your inquiry because it is pushing some identity—the strongest identity usually. So find out: who is this identity? Where does it live? What is the address? Let me find it. You will find that it will just dissolve.

For today, imagine a very welcome message from Jenny. Jenny says, 'Namaste, Father. Joining late today. My kids say the same thing. I'm sure most of our kids feel that. What are parents doing watching so much? Like regular people.' If only she knew how happy I am. Yes, exactly. Please see. When he says we are completely irregular, so all of us have been irregular all our life.

She meets me on FaceTime, Skype, and always says, 'I'm not really here, you know.' And I smile and say, 'I know.' People say I have to laugh out loud as it seems all a funny game. Isani says, 'We are all together taking each other home in a way, everyone included, our family.' But what he says, 'My mind, my dad doesn't get it at all. Just looks at us both puzzled because the mind is there.' Yes, my dad just says it's too difficult and abstract, 'I don't understand.' Although my mom doesn't even talk—my mom doesn't even talk to me at all. She is very angry with me and I am completely okay with it. But my dad supports me in all ways and he is completely okay too as he is spiritual.

And this, what your mom is facing, is also her satsang. Because as a mom, you know now that to not talk to your child or to be distant from your child seems like such a difficult thing. You must see now that this is also her satsang which is pointing her, which will make her open one day. This is my blessing for her: may she be open to the truth. It's been three years since she stopped. I've heard many times parents become distant because, you know what happens is many times as parents, you want to lead our lives all over again vicariously through our children. Whatever we can do, you see many parents, isn't it? 'I wasn't able to do this, but I want my children to do this' because we want to have a reason, you want to have a reset of our own lives and we want them to fulfill our projections now. Because we feel that we failed somewhere in fulfilling projections for ourselves, we feel now that life has given us a retract. Let's fulfill our projections for our children.

And when it doesn't seem to be going that way, our children also seem to be going in their own direction, then we feel right, we want to control them still. And we play all kinds of tricks. And when we refuse to give in to these tricks, then they say, 'Okay, I have nothing to do with you because you're not fulfilling my projections.' Okay, here is it saying something else to exist this way? You guys don't laugh. Oh yeah, you're not laughing at you. You will be laughing and back. It is not you, so you can provoke it enough too long.

And the first time you play this here, have you felt it before? It's been there since. Let it come up. Completely fine. Let it come up. I want to hear all the screams, everything you laid out, all come out. This is why satsang is here. This is why I'm here. Thank you. Okay, remember that it is not about the presence or absence of fear. You will come to a point that you will see that you cannot hear anything which is coming up, and all these energies will lose their power. All the oppressed emotions which have been shut down. Mr. Williams says, 'Don't exhale, push it away, be strong.' You see, because we've heard things like this: 'Be strong.' You know, we have repressed all of this. And here we are saying: expose everything. Let everything come up. Just hand it over to me. It is my problem now.

And Miss Satya says, 'I asked my boyfriend, "Who are you?" I asked my boyfriend, "Who are you?" just jokingly, and he said, "Water."' I was like, 'Okay.' You had a much better experience with this experiment than I used to. You know, 'water' would have been a pleasure to hear after I asked my wife this question earlier. Maybe it's easier when your boyfriend, girlfriend, or not husband, wife—difference. But more seriously, I want to tell you that, you know, because we love them so much, we want them also to experience the fruits of the peace that we have found through our methods. But usually, it doesn't work like this. You cannot thrust it down anyone, this inquiry, especially because it's such a direct way of looking at the truth. We can never force anyone to either be in satsang or to be in inquiry. It just doesn't work.

And yet, if there is a strong urge to help or for them to experience it, you check. You check gently. You knock gently. But don't try to break the door down. If it doesn't open, then it's okay. Their time will come. Everyone is finding their way to the truth. There's no rush to any of this. You be true to your truth. You be true to what has been found and let others come to you and ask, 'What is it that makes you seem so free? What is it that gives you such beauty in your presence?' And if they ask like this, then you can start sharing a little bit if you sense some openness. Without that, it's just like banging your head against a brick wall. It doesn't really ever help. In fact, it could even be counterproductive because they will have an aversion, more and more an aversion to this. The wall that you want to break down, you're giving them more bricks to actually build it because they start defending against it.

Usually in relationships—and I'm not talking about you, I'm just talking generally—usually in relationships, there's a lot of power play that happens, you see. And if anyone was to agree that your path is working for you, it seems like a giving up of power to say that you are better than me or to say that you have found something more useful that I haven't found. It hurts the ego. So don't get into this ego play. You just be quiet in your presence. Let light flow. Let the love flow naturally. And one day, if someone asks, 'So what is it that you are so unruffled with all of this? What makes you so peaceful, so joyful?' then you can start sharing a little bit. It keeps telling whether there is openness or not.

Stephen says, 'Just let everything be exactly like it is right now.' That has struck me now. It's very good because when the ego doesn't have anything to do, it doesn't have anything to fix, then it cannot exist. It relies on doership. We have to leave. She says, 'I have to leave now. Thank you, Father, for allowing me to be this nothing, for all your loving kindness. I love you so much.' Love you too, my dear, and may your cold also get better soon. Love you. Jenny says, 'Father, I cannot express this love and gratitude here for you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.' To my dear, love you. Anita also has to leave for class now. Thank you so much, my dear. Good to see you. My love to you. Thank you.

One thing there, my wife didn't buy the whole Zen thing that followed me and lay ordained that stressed Zen. Mooji discovered me and I shared, and she didn't buy him at all. I carried on. One day I was playing a Mooji meditation and she joined and fell in love. The rest is history. It was the same story and I came to you, Father. Yes, you must have said now, 'Another one.' I know how it is. So what we see isn't our truth, but we can say, especially when it's coming from this place, our ego can never be our truth.

So B says, 'Father, was not sure whether you share this, so I will. One of the main reasons I have not shown up on Tuesday and Thursday satsang was because I am at home at that time and wife and kids are at home. I didn't want to feel awkward watching satsang in front of my wife. I leave it at your feet.' Beloved, don't have to hide any of this because I completely understand. There's a time where here, what happened is we used to have this large business at one point and through grace, then we ended up losing it because of all sorts of reasons. And there was a time that there was not so much interest in work, and at that time all I wanted to do was read A Course in Miracles or some of the other scriptures, read I Am That.

And there was also this platform called A Course in Miracles Paltalk. I don't know if any of you are aware of that. There used to be this group where they would get together and I never had the courage to anytime say anything on that group, but I would just listen in and just hear and find some sense of peace with that. But I know, I still remember that when my wife—I don't feel I had kids, maybe my son was there but he was too young to understand—but when my wife would pass, I would just minimize the window. Just minimize the window because I wouldn't want her to see what I was doing or what this is all about. So I know this. I know this. And yet grace takes care of everything, takes care of all. So let it play exactly the way it is meant to. Don't have to force anything. If someone is uncomfortable, it's okay. Life will find a way around all of this.

It's a little difficult to do when you're the moderator of the Hangout, I see. Company says, 'I had been hiding this, Father, but I told him finally about my attending satsang and I encouraged him to go into in-person session both. He will further next in-person in March.' And Claire said, 'It's okay, today I'm the only one here.' She says, 'I also used to hide my love for Moojiji and Krishna until I couldn't anymore.' Stephen says, 'All my thoughts are God's thoughts. All that are appearing is God and love them also.' If you will love them also, just don't believe that they belong to God, then your love can flow to them. But just don't give them your belief. Just like we love our kids. You can love our kids, but do we let them run our lives? Do they apply for our jobs for us? We do not. Let them dance around, let them jump on us. Love them, don't resist them, but just don't believe.

No longer hid it from outside, I mostly accepted him in my heart. Yes, in this place, very naturally, very beautifully lifted. Also another dear friend was sharing the other day about how there can be this thing about whether to share on Facebook or not. If we share on Facebook or not. And I remember that even when I got my name, it was this fear is still there that what will everybody think? Should I create two separate profiles? All this can create. And then very naturally let it play as it's meant to play. And you find that not so much—the world is actually not as concerned about us as we feel that it is. We feel that everybody cares so much about what's happening with me and in my life. It's hard to hide a little bit here and there.

Except with family members where I try to make those—tell me if you tell me if it works, I'll take some tips from you. But I have listened well to this satsang. Because from my experience, it doesn't work like this. Don't seem to work. You can knock, we can knock gently, but to try and make openness is never worth. And just says, 'Yes, in here, but I have hidden.' Same here, I have hidden this, but you set me right. Yes, we are talking about your reaction. And Shivani said, 'Some part is also saying that it sounds crazy to regular people and I do not want to explain or get involved in an argument which also feels like avoiding seeing the spiritual ego which will get offended here, you know.' But what is happening is sometimes I'll post something, although I don't post so much on my timeline, except photographs. When I post something, the most unlikely ones will also seem to resonate sometimes.

So don't put any boundaries or gates. If you feel that there's a feeling sometimes to share something, just put it out. Don't be worried about them. You know, somebody wants to argue with you, don't—I mean, don't get involved in that. Let them post something provocative, let them attack your beliefs. It doesn't matter. Also, to be spiritual doesn't mean that you become sheep and we have to externally conform to everybody else's projections about how we should be. So just follow your heart, follow your intuition. Sometimes it says, 'Okay...'

Or gates, if you feel that there's a feeling sometimes to share something, just put it out. Don't be worried about them. You know, somebody wants to argue with you, don't—I mean, don't get involved in that. Let them post something provocative. Let them attack your beliefs; it doesn't matter. Also, to be spiritual doesn't mean that you become sheep and we have to externally conform to everybody else's projections about how we should be. So just follow your heart, follow your intuition. Sometimes it says, 'Okay, it's good to just let this go.' Other times it will say, 'Yes, you speak up, you say this.' It's okay. Moment to moment, you can follow your inner guidance.

Claire says, 'Yes, are you around the snow, my dear?' Not that I know, hopefully. Namas is another beautiful being who recently got Guruji's blessing to share his satsang, so maybe that's why we were talking about him in that thread and maybe that confusion would have come from there. I said also the other day that so much help came when it was needed here. Grace got so much help all the time; any time anything was needed, it just came. So in the same way, now I want us to be available to all those whom Guruji has given His blessings to, to share. There's a feeling here to want to help with this light because it is light, isn't it?

Diana posted via Facebook, 'Also hides it from my hubby.' Jenny posted, 'Also hide it from my hubby sometimes. He feels threatened by my love for you and Guruji. This is his satsang and that he is enough for him.' Okay. Claire says, 'The conflict here was I use my Facebook for business, talking about our work, so felt confused about mixing that up. But the right thing will happen. The Supreme intelligence is taking care of all. No need to worry about any of these.'

I used to meet many of these corporate officers, what are called CIOs, and then when I go there, then I face a lot of ribbing from all of them that, 'You are now Babaji' or 'What are you doing here?' So all these kind of things happen. But as long as when the world laughs at you, you can laugh along with them, you see? When nothing hurts, nothing. And Claire says, 'And also felt that my friends would think...'

You said something beautiful. You said that when we are not concerned about our thoughts, why should we be concerned about others' thoughts? Yes, this trick is very important to see also because many are now saying, 'My thoughts are not important,' but they still believe in the thought, 'What about the others? What are they thinking about?' How can they be a concern? If our thoughts are not true, then how can another's thoughts be true? If you guys remember when these four words first appeared, I was speaking with Regina again from the Personal Retreats and we were in Thiru together. She was talking about something about being concerned about what another was thinking, and I said, 'It's not possible now that you're not concerned about your own thoughts, how can you be concerned about what another is thinking about you?' Do you remember? This is how this came.

Cornelia says, 'My family had to get used to Mooji and new Father, the equipment.' Dennis says, 'If I was to give you another name, I would name you Everything Is Okay With A Smile On It.' It's not bad. That's amazing. Namas is here! Look at that, we're just talking about you, my dear. Thank you, Anantaji, he says. Namaste, Namaste to you. All my love and blessings to you. Hope you have a wonderful satsang on Saturday. So happy to hear this news.

'Fears, insecurities, my daughter, myself, take care of Holy Mother. You have to run our lives. All is at your feet.' The Satguru is running your lives, but don't expect the way he runs it to conform to any idea that your mind has. Then good. Basically, if it is what the mind wanted, then good. But if it is not of the mind, if it is appearing in a way which is opposite of what the mind wanted, then even better. If you can have this simple attitude with all that is appearing—it is good, either of the mind or not of the mind, all this Grace—then it is good enough.

Thank you, Jayesh, my dear. He says, 'So powerful, Father, when you said to me there are no other things, and so this is so freeing, Father. Thank you. It does seem ridiculous to ignore my thoughts about myself but worry about my thoughts about what others are thinking, isn't it? And yet it's a trick which is so subtle and we seem to fall for it. So, so freeing, Father. Thank you.' Thank you, you're very welcome.

And Lucia also says, 'My husband still thinks I lost the plot with all these.' Yeah, at some level we have lost the plot of this world. They have lost the plot and we find a deeper design, a deeper intelligence. Because as long as we are so concerned about the world's plot and how the world is, it's good that we lose this plot so we can discover what we truly are. So your husband is not wrong; we have lost the plot actually, but it's a beautiful place to be. And now you're discovering the real plot, the real truth.

And Ramdas says, 'Network problem, sorry, couldn't hear.' He just said that all her love and blessings from all of us are always with you, and whatever help you need, we are always available to you, my dear. And hope you have a wonderful satsang and spread Guruji's light with this pure presence. We are always with you. And Lucia says, 'It was very difficult in the beginning, but he understands that this is very important to me, so he is giving me a little more space.' This is good. This is love. Love is freedom.

Namas says, 'Thank you, beloved, and the Sangha for being such a source of unconditional help and support.' Always welcome. And you also welcome here anytime. You can come to the Hangout also and speak. Love to hear from you. All of us love you too. Very welcome all the time. Who is going to sing for us today? Our very own Deva Premal is here. I'd love to sing for you, Father. Thank you. Oh, and look at that, the name that you got was Viveka. I know, I know, I noticed that. Perfect. Sometimes you see, and then suddenly... oh, try and become your drama.

Thank you, my dear. Very beautiful. Okay, we can play the invocations now. Okay, I'm having some trouble loading that. I just saw that Namas said that he would love to be part of the Hangout also one of these days. You can be now! If you have the Hangout link, you're very welcome to join now. I'm very happy to hear it.

Okay, I was inviting Namas to come, but he says, 'Don't have the mic and webcam on this computer.' Next time, my dear. It'll be good. You will get some experience of how it is to be on the Hangout as well. I'd love to have you anytime. You're always welcome. Thank you all so very much for being in satsang today. Jay Jay.