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See the Belief Which is Here and Ask 'Who is this me?' - 27th Sept. 2016

September 27, 20165:2960 views

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Ananta clarifies that true suffering and resistance only arise when the ego labels energetic movements with a sense of 'me'. He guides the seeker to move from an energetic struggle to the witnessing perspective.

Resistance is a non-acceptance of what is, requiring a thought or belief to create a sufferer.
The play of energetic movements is not the ego until a label says, 'This should not be happening.'
Without the 'me' in the picture, there is no sufferer, only a movement of energy being witnessed.

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Transcript

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Seeker

Suffering is caused by resistance, isn't it? Or suffering is resistance, basically. And suffering requires thought or belief in thoughts, but it feels like resistance. Okay, so maybe a different definition of resistance could be... yeah. And when I'm resisting something, it feels like I'm suffering.

Ananta

Yes. I'm thinking about resistance. Therefore, for me, resistance means a non-acceptance of what is. Yeah. Is it possible to not accept what is without a thought? So, if it is energetic, so one sort of energy is coming, another sort of energy is happening, this Mahabharat of energies happening, I would still not call that resistance. Is it possible? I would... hey, did you listen to it? If it is so, one side of energy is coming, another sort of energy is coming, they're fighting like the Mahabharat, the fighting is... I would still not call this resistance. Maybe this part is what you're calling the resistance. Something which is coming in resistance to this energetically is not what I mean by resistance. It is still not the ego yet. It is a normal functioning with consciousness; consciousness is functioning in this way, you see. Their energies are coming, more energies are coming, and the play of this fighting is happening, but it's still not the ego yet. This is not the resistance that I am talking about. The resistance that I am talking about is the thought that comes and says, 'But why does this happen to me?' or 'This should not be happening' or 'See, I am resisting again.' And when that is thought, that is ego. Okay?

Ananta

So the play of energetic movements which are constantly there in the body, whether we notice them or not—sometimes they are too subtle to notice, you see—this back and forth is always there. Lower energy is pushing downward, higher energy is pushing upward; it is constantly there. So then we would never be free from ego. Ego cannot be this. Ego must be that which labels even this and says, 'I don't want to experience this' or 'Why does this happen to me?' No? 'When will it stop?' Anything like that. Then we put the 'me' in the picture. Otherwise, it's just a movement of energy.

Seeker

I think I'm somehow connecting this the second way. It almost feels like it's the same egoic energy which takes the form of thoughts or takes the form of an energetic resistance, like it has two expressions or something like that.

Ananta

Because even if this... yeah, I can see the identity would still not be born here. The sense of 'me' would still not be there unless I get a 'me' into the picture saying, 'I am suffering from this' or 'I'm fighting this thing' or something. There has to be at least some labeling happening. Yeah. And who's to say that I'm anything to do with the second? Exactly, exactly.

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Seeker

But that's what I've been believing. I've been feeling like something is in my body here, the body who... my real, a real aspect of me also, yeah. And it's trying to come out, it wants to come out, it wants to be released or something. And then there's something which is like desperately trying to keep a lid on it. And I've been looking at that second while he's saying like, 'Oh God, why? Why can I not just...?'

Ananta

But without this, even the label or any belief about the first or the second one—it could be hundreds of energies—but just to keep it simple, without this, it's just a play of energy which is happening. This movement is happening, but there is no 'me' still in the picture who is the sufferer of any energies. This is very important.

Seeker

For two points, it was really... so because already even when it is like very intense or something, I don't really feel like I suffer anymore. Yes, there's just this allowing or something like that. But it's... but I guess it's like a conditional allowing it or something. It's like I feel like in allowing it, yeah, it should take place smoothly energetically or something. And actually, the back and forth which happens, yeah, I can see it is still the sense of 'me' which is in a fight energetically.

Ananta

Yeah, then we must see this: that okay, there's this belief which is here which still feels like 'I'm in some sort of energetic fight with some energy.' You see? And just to look at that: Who is this 'me'? Who's the one that is fighting? What control do I have over either of these? Then you will find that you come to the witnessing perspective. It is here, you see.

The Thread Continues

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