Only the False Needs the Practise of Belief - Dec. 26, 2014

One question you must ask: 'Who are you?' or 'Who do you want to speak to?' We don't ask either. If you ask either of these questions, it's over. This wrong number can be put down. See, somebody comes at your door and starts saying, 'You do this, start doing this.' Don't you first ask that, 'Who are you? Why should I follow you?' Why don't we ask this of our thoughts? Because you've given it authority. Why must we need a thought to communicate with ourselves? As simple as that.

The person is only a bundle of ideas and concepts that we picked up along the way. It has no tangible existence even in this realm. So I don't get into the illusion versus dream debate or whether this realm is illusory or not. Even if it is completely real—let's say this table is real, this body is real, this computer is here, all of this is real—can you show me the person? Many will say that, 'Oh, it seems like I'm the body,' but it's not true. Hardly anyone believes that they are the body. I'll show you, because you think of your last twenty problems: how many of them were just body related? No, they were relationship, they were money, they were work. Is the body concerned with all of this? How much money is in the bank, is the body concerned? No. The body is unconscious. The body is not asking for a beautiful partner, a partner who understands me. The body is unconcerned. It is our sense of who we are as a person that is saying that because I'm like this, my partner should... because I'm here, then I should have this much money, I should have work. See? Who is this one?

So most of us, we have this belief that I am bodily conditioned, body identified. It's not true. We are person identified, and person is a pure myth, just a collection of ideas. You see, when we were younger, we might have got this idea, 'I'm very rebellious.' Somebody said, 'I have played straight.' The thought comes like that and it shapes the person like this. We don't realize; we think it is my thought, I created it. Who can create the next thought? Even what to create will come from this pool of Consciousness. So we take too much, too much credit for the flow of thought, for the flow of action. But we are not the thinker and we are not the doer of action—not as a person at least. Not as a person at least. Ultimately, if you say as Consciousness, 'I'm the thinker of thoughts and the doer of action,' I have no argument with that.

But I can slip. By inquiring this way, one finds himself ending up with the fear of death.

Whose problem is it? It's also a problem. So you said by inquiring this way... what is the inquiry you're speaking of?

You just mentioned don't believe your next thought about the person.

Yes. So this is very good. So let's correlate the two things, right? So we said the problem is the identification with the person, you see. And earlier we said that don't believe your next thought. How does the person get perpetuated? Only by belief in thought. You cannot have a fear of death without believing the thought about death. And if it is strong for you, maybe there has been some past conditioning about this issue of death, then you can inquire and say, 'What is going to die?' Does this body not die every night in deep sleep? Is it that not dead, what it means? And yet yesterday we were watching, your beloved could be next to you and yet you want to go to sleep. So why? What is the difference between deep sleep and death?

The mind can come and say, 'But you will wake up.' No, you know you will wake up, but you don't know. A dream state can come and the dream state can be you have another completely different life. Like in satsang I keep joking and sharing what lives are seen in dreams, and they have a story, they have people who you're familiar with. And suddenly when you wake up, you don't know, because sometimes it feels like those were more familiar than who are here. You go to sleep tonight and you see that in a dream you could spend thousands of years. In a dream you could spend thousands of years and all the space is there. All this space is there, no? There can be mountains, there can be rivers, everything can be there. So we know that in the presence of I Am, time and space gets projected. So it could be that you go to sleep tonight and you wake up in a million years of dream time and it'll all seem so real during the when the dream is on.

So do you really know when you go to sleep that you will wake up tomorrow? Will you wake up as a person tomorrow? So then if deep sleep is the same, you cannot find the difference between deep sleep and death, isn't it? Because even the presence I Am is not there. 'I'm aware that I'm sleeping, I can experience that I had sleep.' If you're nodding off, it's so boring, you know, something could be boring and you're just missing like that, you wake up and say, 'Oh, I went to sleep.' You see? Because you experienced sleep. You were still there as Awareness to experience sleep. This can be a little tricky. See, this is very simple. You go to sleep and then you wake up and say, 'Yes, I went to sleep.' If that was not the case, that you did not experience sleep, you would have had like only time lapse, no? You would not even know that you went to sleep.

So who's aware of sleep and waking? Who's aware of sleep, dream, and waking? Does that Awareness change? Did that Awareness die?

Maybe I know that it was a deep sleep just because when I wake up I don't remember.

Yes, but if you did not remember, you would not know you slept, isn't it? For one moment you're looking at me, then you went to sleep, then you woke up. You know you went to sleep, you see? Otherwise it would just be... just looking at you, sleep never happened. Others could tell you, 'Hey, you went to sleep, man.' It happens like that. So you can nod off, when you wake up, 'I haven't been to sleep.' Who experienced sleep? Why do we look forward to sleep if you don't?

Someone saying something.

In deep sleep state, the sense I Am is not there. And we are so used to identifying with what is there when the presence is there that we don't realize that I am the one who experiences my sleep and I look forward. Okay, let's look at it another way. I asked a question which was: are you aware now? What do you want? What is perceived for you to confirm this? Do you need even to perceive the sense of presence I Am to confirm that you are aware? No. Okay, let's look at this together. Can you stop being now? This is easy.

Yes.

So what is the answer?

No.

No. Why? It just happens. What cannot be stopped? You say, 'I cannot stop being.' What is it that cannot be stopped being? Being aware, or just being? Because you're mixing both the questions and if you say being aware, it helps me actually.

You can see being, the sense that there's a being here. You can say being here, I'm here, no? I cannot turn it off.

What is it that cannot be turned off? Can you look at this? Maybe it's the same being aware. Yes, yes. And you say being cannot be stopped, that means you are aware of being. Are you being itself saying, 'I cannot be stopped'? Are you saying, 'I cannot be stopped'? Are you saying that there's a presence here, the sense that I Am, this cannot be stopped and I am aware of it? See, look at it. If you try to answer from your mind, then it will show you, give you some rubbish. You just look and say, 'Okay, there's a sense of being and there's an awareness of it which is unconcerned even with the presence of being.' Can you look? It is very hard to make distinctions. Don't have to. You're taking on more work than I'm giving you actually right now. All I'm saying is that you say, 'I cannot stop being.' You say that being is here.

Yeah, I cannot... I cannot stop being aware of the deep sleep. It's not...

Okay, so let's look at this one first. Let's look at this one first. This is very cool. You say that this is the other question I asked, which was: are you aware now? You said yes. And I cannot stop this Awareness, you see. You say that, 'I cannot stop being aware.' You say that this Awareness... what appearance can touch it? No appearance. Can a thought touch it? Anything? Any emotion? Strong... someone, sometimes you come back and you say, 'Yes, yes, it was beautiful, but so much anger.' Can anger touch it? Strong anger?

It's observed.

It's observed. But is Awareness touched by it? Is the witnessing touched by it? Sometimes I don't like to use the word Awareness, you know, it's in every book and you've heard it so often. I say witnessing. There is a witnessing of all of this appearance, but is this witnessing touched by any of it? What is the distance between you and this witnessing?

Yes, I had some trouble.

Yeah, what happened? What happened with this?

There is no...

Let's look. No, let's not, let's not go to the past and say, 'This is my experience with you.' Forget it. Fresh. Let's look now. There's a witnessing of this conversation, yes? If the thought comes, there will be a...

It's in every book and you've heard it so often. I say witnessing. There is a witnessing of all of this appearance, but is this witnessing touched by any of it? What is the distance between you and this witnessing? Yes, this had some trouble. Yeah, what happened? What happened with this? There is no... let's look. No, let's not go to the past and say, 'This is my experience with you.' Forget it. Fresh. Let's look now. There's a witnessing of this conversation, yes? If the thought comes, there will be a witnessing of that also, isn't it? Emotion can come; there'll be witnessing of that. Now, all these appearances, do they seem like they're in front of you or not? Where are you perceiving them from? They seem to be like dancing in front of you, isn't it? Very often. No, that's what I'm saying now, because if you go to offline... but you're not asking for that. You're not asking right now. You're just saying now. Yeah, okay. So let's maybe do this together. Indulge me. You indulge me so long, so indulge me a little more. Can you wait for the next thought to come and see whether the witnessing is touched by this thought?

No.

Now, the sound of this traffic. Is the witnessing of these sounds... what is now? Yes, he's right. You see, something will try to make an image of it. I say awareness, also something tries to make an image. Mind will paint one black thing or one white space as awareness. It's not that, you see. There is awareness even of this image. What is the good news? That you are aware. Image is not touching you. The image is also witnessed, isn't it? How would you report on it if it was not? It can happen sometimes, you know, in the satsang something can try to resist. It's only these two A's: the big A, Awareness, and the small a, appearance. And this big A is untouched by this dance of whatever the appearance might be. But more sublime or the most surrendered, unless we believe our thought. And what happens when we believe our thought? We only pretend that we are suffering. We can never suffer. Can awareness ever suffer? Do we have the power to pretend? Power of belief means power to pretend. I can pretend to be a person. I can pretend to have a life. I can pretend to suffer with all of this. It's only a pretense. And once it's seen as the pretense, it's okay. The play goes on. Don't feel that the play will stop. As long as Being is here, Consciousness is here, the projection will continue to happen in this play. This dance will continue. As long as you understand, you can see the untouched matter. Can you stop cherry-picking our experiences? All this matters only to the person idea. All the appearances matter only to the person idea. And the person idea is just a pure figment of imagination. And how do we keep ourselves getting deluded? Just by believing. It's very simple. The mind will try to make it complex and say it's not. It's true. Where must the Self go to become the Self? This we call Self-realization. Which Self are we trying to realize? The one that is here now. That's the only one I am interested in. We have to do something to create the Self? The Self required some effort? Why are we working so hard? Self is nothing but this pure awareness. You're witnessing the pure seeing.

Please, now that'll be a strong appearance for me too. Okay, is this really... is he really in with what he's saying, or my son falling off? See, awareness got touched with that.

But even with that, which appearance can touch awareness? And with this simple question, you will see if something touches me, then I'm identifying as a person or an idea, not as awareness. So both ways, the mind is in trouble. So one option for the mind is to shut up now. Yeah. And my Master says the song for the ego is 'Hit the Road Jack.' So either it hits the road or it tries to throw stuff at you. And if it's throwing stuff at you, it is giving you a glimpse of what you are still identified with and can be transcended. So in that way also, it is grace. After a certain point, the mind is in trouble.

Aditi says, 'Dearest Father, as I am being cleansed of the chatter jumping around of all that I am not, I see that the person I has been completely created by my beliefs and conditioning. I keep this image of myself alive with my attention and belief, and I can clearly see which I that is real and which I is not real. Every satsang and every quiet moment are helping the real I come more and more into focus. I am so grateful to see this awakening happening. Memory of being in this place for four years and intellectual knowledge kept my longing to come home alive, but to see it through the eyes of my true Self that I have never left and have always been here is truly beautiful. Don't believe my thoughts. So much gratitude.' Very good. Thank you.

We can even take it step by step because the main thing for me is suffering. The rest we can keep talking about. Show me how you can suffer without believing your next thought. Just with this. If all that you hear in today's satsang is just this—don't believe your next thought—it's enough for me, you see. And I'm not saying don't believe any thoughts. I'm not saying, you know, do something special. Just the next one. Getting ready to say something?

Yes. Somebody said some... sometimes somehow it said, 'Just let your mind fall in silence.' It's another way of staying, to keep for myself, to keep reminding myself that why am I... this is not necessary to give attention. It's not necessary. And then it comes back.

Because what happens is when we play at the level of attention, yeah, then it becomes troublesome because our attention is a crazy monkey, you know? And we see this. I say this famous thing, right? I say, 'Don't think of a pink elephant.' What is appearing? So attention becomes like that. But belief is very simple. Belief is very simple. And this... sorry, this, you know, it's so much hard work to get misery. Some of you might be new to satsang like this, but actually it's a lot of hard work to be miserable, to suffer. You know what you have to do? You have to go to this ATM machine. It's called Anytime Misery Machine, which is the mind. What do you have to do? Misery. Anytime Misery Machine, ATM. Okay. You go to this ATM and you put the ATM card. What is the ATM card? It's attention to mind. First one, you see. But just by putting the card, at least in India, you don't get money. You put the card, then what does it ask you? It asks for a PIN, isn't it? What is PIN? Personal Identification, which is nothing but the belief. So just by putting attention to mind, you will not suffer. You also need the personal identification. But if you try to work at the ATM card level, then it becomes... okay, the PIN level is much easier. Don't give it your identification. Don't give it belief. It can come. It can come. As many as you want can come. Thoughts are so welcome. Come, come. What? Nothing. Unless you say it's me or mine, no trouble. 'This is meaningful for me. This has value for me.' That's what gets us stuck. And then it's this misery machine is unlimited. You have an unlimited bank balance. You just keep putting your attention to mind and give it your belief, you can get as much misery as you want. And then the mind comes and says with this one, 'This one is a nice one. Promise, promise, no misery.' It's not true because everything is speaking to you as a person. Every thought is there... a thought, a genuine thought which is... so the mind can now come up and say, 'No, no, I've always said you are that itself,' something like that. But generally your thought is just referring to you as this concept, the person. No thought is calling you awareness. Simple. Simplest master key to be free from suffering: don't believe your next thought. And then we can have fun in satsang. We can talk about consciousness, awareness, and then it's very simple.

So shall we? Done? Should we just finish with this person concept today? It's completely possible. Your mind will come and say, 'Oh, what are you saying? It's just in Thiru for two days, you're just gonna go back.' It's completely possible now because you cannot show me the person if you were to look for it. I've been asking hundreds of satsangs: can you show me one attribute, tangible attribute of a person on the existing source?

Yes, only thoughts.

This much is enough, you see. You see, it's already saying... you're already saying it's only thought. That means there's no... in this realm also of so-called atoms and molecules, the person has no validity. In this realm, the body has validity. The body needs are very simple. The body doesn't ask for much. This person who's saying, 'Give me this, give me that, give me freedom,' the body is not saying, 'Give me freedom.' It's only thoughts then. So if you don't believe the next thought, then there's nothing to do. There's nothing to do. Thank you. See, this is as simple. If you say just this, if you see this, nothing to do, then the only trouble will be the mind itself will come and say, 'But tough.' But if I try it, you know, and be... the power of belief is very, very strongly in your control. Power of attention, I know, can jump around. And then what happens is attention and belief come together and we create identity.

How many of us have contemplated these things? And there's pure awareness. Then in from this pure awareness, or in this pure awareness itself, there is for some unexplained reason—and we can say, we can say many reasons—for some unexplained reason is the birth of the presence I Am, the sense of consciousness, of being conscious. And with the birth of this sense of consciousness, the birth of all of these forces that we never look at. There's a force of attention, this force of belief, there's a force of identity. If you start contemplating at this level, it becomes very easy to unravel. Have you seen I Am is born? Before I Am, there's no concept of attention. There's no concept of belief. In deep sleep, there's no attention or belief. When I Am is born is the power of attention. What happens with attention? It's like awareness, but it's a limited form. So you cannot give attention to two things completely at the same time. Can you think a thought clearly and see me completely clearly at the same time? I mean, thinking can go on, it goes on, but see, your attention will not be on it and it'll seem blurry. You do it now.

Yes, it's more in the background.

Because attention is limited. Awareness is unknown, you see. You say, 'I have limited attention span,' and there are too many demands on your attention. You get tired. Kids calling from there, phone call coming there, some email have to be replied. So all these are demands on our attention and we get stressed and tired. Seems to be limited. If it is unlimited, then why would it matter? Ten things crying for your attention just happen. Attention. And then what happens with attention? Not in our... you have the power to say, 'Yes, this is meaningful. This is me.' This is belief. It's completely different from attention. Have you looked at it like that? Okay, it's very interesting to see this. Attention is there. Attention can go on the thought, but without this power to give it meaning or make it meaningful, it doesn't mean anything. Just like there can be thousands... my Master says there can be many thousands of objects in a room, but only what you give attention to seems to be real. But just by giving attention does not mean you've given it belief or given it meaning. So if you work at this level, then it's very easy to finish off. If you work at personal level—'Oh, I have lust, I have greed, I have anger'—then you fix lust, by the time you fix the three or four, then the first one comes back. Oh yeah. Then how long? How many lifetimes have you gone? Nine-headed snakes.

Exactly, exactly. Now this is very powerful what you say: don't believe the next thought. It cannot be touched by swords. It's a very easy... this cannot be turned off. We can see this also continues in sleep.

Yes.

But I cannot touch it or feel it.

I'll make you touch it. Yes. Okay, you're with me?

Yes.

Are you aware now?

Yes.

You touched it. This is awareness being aware of awareness itself. We don't realize it because it's so simple. It doesn't even appear because it's not a phenomenon, you see. Like I said, only non-phenomenal scheme include even I have the sense I Am, we can call a phenomenal.

The next day cannot be touched by swords. It's very easy. This cannot be turned off. We can see this also continues in sleep.

Yes, but I cannot touch it or feel it.

I'll make you touch it. Yes? Okay, you're with me? Yes. Are you aware now?

Yes.

You touched it. This is awareness being aware of awareness itself. We don't realize it because it's so simple. It doesn't even appear because it's not a phenomenon, you see. Like I said, only non-phenomenal can include even the sense 'I am.' We can call the phenomenal presence of Being; you can say that that is a phenomenal scene because the presence is at least perceived like that, you see. To answer 'Am I aware now?' nothing was seen. Like I said, nothing is perceived. No phenomena, no perception is required. It is awareness itself which is aware of awareness. Don't believe the thought that 'I cannot touch it.' You are it. How can you not touch it? Is there any distance between you and this awareness? No, it's immediate. Yes? Did you have to do some work? No. Some mantras had to be chanted? I know it comes automatically. Oh, it doesn't even come; it is. Yeah. Now what can you do? Let's try an experiment. What can you do that will step you out of this awareness and make you a person? Can you show me? Become a person and show you actually become the person.

No, I only... you'll only pretend, you see.

Yes. Believing in thought doesn't change your actual nature. You are the untouched one, the supreme one. It will not change your nature, but you can play the game of pretending to be a person. But nobody has been able to even bet some money on you. I said a hundred to one: who can become a person and show me? You cannot become; you can pretend. Even you do not have the power to become something which is just imagined. Okay, you cannot become it. Then what is the trouble?

Um, maybe when I was sitting, just to say everything is happening in front, I don't see it so much in front.

That's okay, forget about it. Let's just come here. Yeah. You already said awareness is already here. And even if I tried and tried and tried, I cannot become a person. I can pretend, but I am always disappointed. It's under my heart. It says you are aware of many bodies. When you sleep tonight, you will have another body. Yes, in dreams too. You can have many bodies. All seem so real, all have pain, pleasure. You have the power to have these bodies. You have the power to believe you are also the body, the power to believe that you are the person. All these powers of belief mean the power to pretend. It doesn't change what you are. Can this witnessing stop from the scene? Okay, I mean object seeing is daytime business. It's not the energy; it's a waking time business. In the same waking time business, you also see other things: thoughts.

I don't literally see them.

Yes, but you perceive them.

Yes, I have not so clear pictures. It seems blurry when you're in it, then it seems like some clarity is emerging, but out of it, in the waking state of this time, then it says, 'Oh, that was blurry.' When you go there, then this might seem blurry.

You have the power to imagine life. Does it change what you are? So it could be imagination, it could be emotion, it could be thought. All these are perceived. Perceived by the same awareness or different? Different awarenesses are required to perceive different things? Only if I believe in the appearance and I believe I am this and this emotion, I'm this person, yes? What happened then? Then the appearance of suffering can come back soon. That's all that can go wrong. Nothing can actually touch you.

No, I must be empty of this, otherwise it cannot appear in me. There is nobody who is empty of phenomenal experience, I mean of the belief of... empty of the experience itself, of the taste of it somehow. Because if I have anything already, it would touch the experience as well, so it would get the taste of something. So I am drinking this lime water, there's a taste of it. Tasting is happening.

The perceiving of the tasting is... this is the mind setting us up for definite failure because as long as this waking state is there, as long as this body is there, there will be experience. There will be tasting of experiencing. But the witnessing, the ultimate witnessing that knows that this tasting is going on, is untouched. Yes? That's why I'm saying there is nothing to do. You are already there. But if you feel that there is something to do, all I'm saying is don't believe your next thought. Now the mind is stuck. There's no way to go. Yes? And it seems like, although it's not a choice, but it will seem like an apparent choice is appearing whether you're going to believe this voice. Now yours seems more like more freedom. That's always responded. The only thing which can keep you is you have... if you have some time. Yes? You see, ultimately even the seeker identity must be shown the door. It has brought you here and it must be shown the door. As soon as you actually become a little more than that, it says a person is a photo album. Now if you come up with some simple examples so everyone can understand: the person is a photo album and I say throw the entire photo album, but you come back and say, 'No, no, but this parent thing, you know, this parent thing is still there.' Yeah? So they say, 'Can we look at this thought? Can we look at this?' So every thought that you believe becomes a photo in the photo album. And there are sections in this photo album based on your identity. So seeker identity, all seeker photos. Yeah? Work identity, whatever your work is, all these. Then you say that 'I've thrown work, I've thrown seeker,' but one is a little special. So beautiful. I don't naturalize this identity. We are not asking you to throw any of this. We are asking you to... the one who believes that he has done all of this or he is doing the seeking, this ultimately must also be thrown down. And you know the beauty of this system? As you stop, as you say 'I'm not going to believe my next thought,' but the ones that have the most juice, no? The photo album sections that have the most juice, they will come and bite. And those you can expose in satsang and say, 'I'm still with this, with this,' you see? And then we can maybe inquire together and say, 'Yeah, where's the seeker? What does he want? What will convince him of freedom?' Again you'll find there's nothing. Nothing is that. In this way, this one will also get right. Then the photo album is gone. So more some rare ones, the strong resonance, whole thing, most ones section by section. But if you try to do it photo by photo, then it's a many lifetimes. Or this thought, this morning, this right now, this thought... there's no end to it. The person is only made up of all of these identities and all thoughts are speaking to various parts of our identity and strengthening them if you believe them.

Yeah, yeah. Also the seeker is the last one, so to say, which always survives because... no, no, what does he... the second one's like, um, yeah, he wants like I say confirmation, like you know, 'I got it.' Because so I wasn't really only looking after maybe some image when you've read something, making an image out of it. It's hands, but awareness you cannot have in your hand in a way. So he doesn't make... it's also thought-based. So all identity is thought-based.

He said no, that you give attention and belief and it forms an addiction. It is the same. Sometimes it happens like this, that we could have had many satsangs and the seeker identity is enjoying, you enjoying, and then after a few seconds it erupts. I'm very happy when that eruption happens because I know that now this final identity, which is of the seeker itself, is being confronted. They come and say, 'Okay, I've not been believing. I see Being cannot be stopped. I am. I am aware now. Now what? What? What's going to happen?' Like that, you see. The seeker's voice is saying something should happen to convince you that... the only thing that needs to happen is this one is thrown, shown the door as well. So I'm very happy if it comes up like that. This frustration can happen like, like my daughter in the car: 'When are we getting there? When are we getting there?' Same seeker identity saying, 'When am I getting to freedom?' He doesn't want to stay alive. Yes? You see the amount of hard work you have to do to support... yes, you have to keep the seeker alive somehow. Is there something not free right now?

Only when, when I touch something, believe what comes out. Yeah, that's how he said, right? Yeah. Right now is... no, there's no... I go back and I meet my girlfriend or I go to the market or something. What is the awareness structure in this?

So suppose now... so it feels like you've been agreeing with me and I say something completely ludicrous. Suppose I say now something completely ludicrous. When you say this guy, 'Okay, good, I found out on time,' and then is awareness touched by this? Well, it's a moment. It will not touch me. I mean, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Because I feel relaxed inside. Something doesn't matter whether voice where this is coming from is... you have to test for yourself and see: is this true or not? I don't want any... so what I say, I'm a little bit radical in that way, is that you are completely fine now. You are completely free. But you can pretend to be bound by believing your thoughts. There are many, you know, who come and say... can you basically, basically asking for a certificate, self-realization certificate? 'I've got it. Have I got it or no? Got it or not?' If I say you are it, you are completely free, but it's all about the moment. But all at best you can do is pretend, you see this on.

Yeah, there's no desire to pretend now to pick up something. Is there any problem in this?

No. Is there somewhere you have to go to keep this now, or some effort to be done?

Not now, but... you can come up here in the background, he's looking for something.

Yeah. So my master says something very beautiful. He says, 'All I'm asking you to do is put your heavy bags down.' You know, you've been carrying them. So that is effort. You've been making all this effort to carry the weight of the person, thoughts, all of this. And I'm saying put them down. And you say, 'But that is effort.' It can seem like that because our habit has become to carry. So even if it seemed like a little effort in the beginning to not give it our belief, it's okay. And then you will see that this is the natural state. That don't expect it to be hundred percent. There's another mind trick. Your mind comes in, '100% you believe that you're still bound.' So as in 99.958 percent, you will not... jokingly, don't expect the hundred percent. Nobody is there who doesn't believe hundred percent of that. So what used to be this strong wrestler, this WWE wrestler which could throw you around like this, and then becomes like a nagging partner, then becomes just like this small mosquito. Then you don't pay attention unless it's really something. That's what happens to the mind. Don't expect it to completely finish. It's on the mind trick itself. You say, 'No, no, still there, he's still there.' You're getting angry thoughts, we're getting lustful thoughts. Thank you. All right. Okay. So this one now, you're walking on that to the Shiva cave. Don't believe your next thought. All of you know Raj, old India friend of mine. There's a lot of chat and we won't read all of it today, my dearest. But if there's something really strong, maybe the moderator can type it again or you can retype it and I will look at this point. I hope all of you are enjoying looking at Arunachala. So blessed, so blessed. Now he says nothing strong has shown up yet. Beloved Father, I don't have to work hard to create something strong because it's just lining up to say something which is coming. Let me not break the transition and let me ask something. Okay.

So we're just about to ask like, so what is the last stage when a person comes to know whether, you know, this awareness has finally, you know, reached reaches to a stage wherein, you know, you can say that, you know, you can realize that you have realized it now? See, this question also, is it from the awareness perspective? Can awareness have a stage? Sometime it truly feels like, you know, now you are aware, you actually are Being and you know, you can see everything happening from a different perspective and nothing major is affecting you. And then...

Is there a stage when a person comes to know whether this awareness has finally reached a stage wherein you can realize that you have realized it? Now, see this question also: is it from the awareness perspective? Can awareness have a stage? Like, sometimes it truly feels like now you are aware, you actually are being, and you can see everything happening from a different perspective and nothing major is affecting you. And then all of a sudden, you again see yourself getting into it with full force. You know, you've been hurt, you've been getting angry, and although you are still a witness and you can see this anger coming, you are getting into that. So what exactly is happening? Somewhere deep down in your heart, you know that you are not what you are trying to become, and you're getting into that. So the mind is telling you, 'See, see, see, see,' but you just can't help getting into that.

Suppose that all of this were to continue to happen. Suppose then, would you as awareness get affected by it?

It's so difficult to differentiate at that time what is the difference between awareness, because you are so identified with that personality that you don't want to believe that you are the awareness. You just don't want to believe. You actually want to stick to that identity that you have created, that you have believed, and you want to fight it.

For this reason, I have given you the master key, isn't it? It is exactly for this reason: don't believe your next thought. And don't say—you will say now—that in the past I tried and it happened like this. It's all about now, right?

But then it becomes too much of effort not to believe in that, because the conditioning has been so strong that rather than automatically not believing in that, it's just like we are in a habit of believing that. And then not believing seems to be an effort.

So it seems to be an effort. That's what I was saying initially: to keep the bags down seems like some effort, but actually it is the removal of effort. It is the effort to carry. It's logical, you see how it comes. Attention goes, but to give belief is effort. To not give belief is that effort only because, like you said, it is habit. Does it seem like giving belief is effortless? Actually, it is effort.

The best I could do is to keep attending Satsang and just believing in now. Every day I ask you this: that moment, and I'll forget that whatever has happened in the past and I'll start from there. So that is a new starting point. Thank you so very much.

You're so welcome. What happens is that we are so used to giving everything to the mind that this thing seems like it's effort to break. I hear something in Satsang and then what is your feeling about this? 'I like this answer; I didn't like what he said.' Who's this one? This interpreter. Did some of you see that when Obama was giving a speech, the interpreter was fake? He was just doing the same action over and over completely. So what happens is instead of seeing what is, you're buying what the interpreter is saying about what is. The interpreter is as fake as that one. What has he given you except suffering and misery? Except promises? Except this waiting moment? That's why I say, at least tell me: okay, so what will convince you that you are free? What must happen?

But what do we do then? Even when this happens, you know, there are times in life when the ego runs out of moves. It seems like it's exhausted. Those are very auspicious times because you're very open to Satsang in those times. So when the PIN card stops working, nothing is happening, no moves left—it's a very auspicious time. But then quickly, quickly, we want to get a replacement. That's how you said that if you refuse to put in your PIN number enough, it cannot force you to put the PIN number. It can seem like it because of habit. This is what Vikas also said, that because we've been conditioned for many years and maybe many lifetimes, we've been giving our belief. When you refuse to put the PIN in, it doesn't matter whether it's wrong. Because if you were to look at that another way and say that it's saying something else and you believe something else in some other way—but any belief is linked to personal identity.

The truth does not need belief. This is very important for everyone to hear. The truth does not need belief. Even Papaji was saying yesterday that faith is not required here. Only the false needs the crutches of belief. You do not need to believe in this; you can just see for yourself what is true or not. And it is unchanging, depending on belief. So to make the misery, to make this person idea, we have to work hard and give belief. Belief is required for the false, and the false cannot survive without beliefs. It collapses very fast. The truth goes nowhere. You believe it, don't believe it—most of humanity doesn't seem to be believing the truth. It is not going anywhere. Awareness is not fading because of lack of belief. Consciousness is not getting diluted because it is always the same. You do not need to believe this own Self. What is true here, that truth is not going anywhere. Any now, truth is available right now. Self-realization is yours. Freedom is yours. You have never left the destination. Trying to get somewhere, you have not left the destination. You are that. If we keep doing this, we keep giving everything to the mind and say, then we can play longer, we can play now, we can play later.

The two identities that are still in the photo album are: one, the body is sick and in pain and suffering; and two, is a seeker. And then just a few minutes ago when you were saying 'don't believe in your next thought,' this fear came up and the thought came: 'If I don't believe in the thought that says I need to go to the hospital, how will I get there?' And then I feel really like my body just feels really hot. Just so it's like, 'Oh, if I don't believe my thoughts, then how am I going to take care of the body?'

I'll tell you something very interesting and you have to experiment with it. Don't take my word for it. You cannot take my word for it. All actions are happening on their own. You are not the thinker of your thoughts nor the doer of your actions. And this so-called—okay, this might seem a little strong because it's very deeply ingrained in Indian spirituality also—but the fact that thought leads to action is also complete rubbish. It's just the fallacy which is post hoc ergo propter hoc, which means just because it happens after something, it must be the cause of it. It is not true. Many times you actually also decide that 'when I meet this person next time, I will say this to them,' and when we end the present, something else completely is coming up. So what happened to a decision? What happened to all this?

You see, just like thought is appearing, action is appearing. I'm not deciding to raise this hand like this; it's moving on its own. So this whole game—but we don't have to stress too much on it—but the fact is this whole concept of personal will is complete rubbish. How can there be personal will if there's no person? So this whole debate about doership and non-doership has been looked at in the wrong way. I used to sit at Ramesh's feet for a few years, I met Balsekar at his feet also before I met Mooji Ji, and the whole debate used to be about doership and non-doership. And I realized that we are looking at the debate wrong. Whose doership, whose will are we speaking about? Are we talking about the person's will? Are we talking about the will of consciousness? Are we talking about awareness having will?

If a person does not exist, how can something which is non-existent have will? See? So this one is rubbish. Consciousness is all there is; then it must be the will of consciousness, the way everything moves. That's why we say that it's all God's will. For awareness, the concept of will is completely uninteresting. It has no interest in will—no will, free will, God's will, nothing. It is just witnessing everything. See, is the witnessing, is this pure seeing touched by any action, movement, anything? So if it is saying—the mind is saying—that if you don't believe your next thought, then how will you do? Now, who? You? Who doesn't exist? All that is being done is by consciousness itself.

But the mind will come with an objection and say, 'Oh, does this mean that I can just lie around in bed all day?' Or you can say, 'Does this mean I can go around shooting people all day?' You cannot, because this 'I' does not exist. You see that the whole point is just a figment of our imagination. It has no tangible real existence. And many are very quick to understand this: no person, no person is here, no person is here. But then this question of will somehow seems to be sticky. How is it that—this always surprised me—it is clear no person is here, but I still believe in personal will? How can we find the one whose will it is? Does this one have to be directed by thoughts? There is nobody. All that moves, every blade of grass that moves, moves through the will of God. That's all. Otherwise, there must be two: God and you. There must be a God and you. But very quickly we say God is everywhere. Then where are you? This one that has a separate will from God's will, where is it? If God is everywhere, it cannot be both; cannot be true. This is just another way for the mind to keep its dominance, for the mind to sit on this throne.

So what I started off by telling her was: don't take my word for it. So what you have to do is just refuse to believe thoughts and see how actions continue to move. All that is meant to happen continues to happen. This is again another—I'm not saying you are arrogant—but there's an arrogant belief of the ego: 'Without me, my life would stop.' It's like saying if I am saying that I can control, I can close the doors. It doesn't happen. Nothing is changing. It's just moving. Life is flowing. Everything is happening on its own. Even this: we said we'll take a break four days, we'll come to Tiru, and then it says, 'Okay, let's do some Satsang.' Then we have Satsang and we have this beautiful meeting with all of you. What happened? You see, it just happened. But there is something which can come and take credit: 'Yes, you thought this, that's why you did this.' Just so. Will you try this?

Yes. See how actions will move. Then you'll find that the one that is beating your heart is moving your luggage. Thank you. Also, you said earlier about fear, emotions. Yeah, it's important we look at emotion because emotions energetically are different from thoughts. The thought just comes like this, but emotions come and they seem to linger. Do you expect them to repeat behavior? Thoughts which come in like this, again emotion will come and it can linger. Give them all space. Let them kind of linger. Continue not to leave any interpretation about it. Avoid labeling also if you can. Like he's saying all of this, he has no question, like he's in so much pain, he's not understanding all that kind of stuff. But I can tell you that you will not have any pain which you cannot handle. What you cannot handle is your belief in the thought about doing it. Do not handle the belief. 'I should not have this pain'—that causes you suffering.

Yeah, it is. I feel it when you're saying as we were just—it's a strong—

You see, that's how we speak about the neutrality. No desire, no aversion. The same thing, you see. When I say 'I want' and then I say 'I don't want,' they are actually the same two sides of the same coin. Awareness is completely neutral. I'm not saying that you should want pain. You neither have a desire for it nor are you completely neutral to whatever is appearing and disliking. And I can promise you, what is coming is going. Nothing comes and stays. No state lasts forever. Then we can use enlightenment to be a state. Yesterday and today, if you think enlightenment is a state, it's going to happen like that. If you are that which all states are welcome to come and go, then you are on the right track.

Two sides to the same coin. Awareness is completely neutral. I'm not saying that you should want pain. You neither have a desire for it, nor a dislike for it. You're completely neutral to whatever is appearing. And I can promise you, what is coming is going. Nothing comes and stays; no state lasts forever. Then we can use enlightenment to be a state. Yesterday and today, if you think enlightenment is a state, it's going to happen like that. If you are that which all states are welcome to come and go in, then you are not chasing, not racing. Love, peace—it's good for now. Very cute.

Love all of you so very much and thank you so much for tuning in. It's a wonderful, wonderful day for all of us. So blessed to be in this satsang. And thank you so much for joining in and becoming part of this. We'll go off anytime. Thank you. Love all of you. Thank you for beautiful moderation and for the announcement also. I like very much how you announced. Very nice. Okay, now leaving on road. Same time, same place, same battery life, same everything. And Louise, you can tell them we can have the naming ceremony after satsang tomorrow if we have battery life.