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Is Witnessing Also a Phenomenon? - 13th October 2017

October 13, 201711:3544 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta distinguishes between phenomenal perception and the eternal Witness, guiding seekers to the non-phenomenal awareness that remains when all senses and objects fall away. He emphasizes that this self-evident reality is beyond conceptual or experiential knowledge.

The capital-W Witness is the non-phenomenal, eternal Sakshi that witnesses even the coming and going of consciousness.
Reality does not appear and disappear; it is the one solitary witness of all that is.
Continue to not fill the blank 'I am' with anything, and these insights will become self-evident.

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Transcript

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Seeker

I have a doubt. Is witnessing also a phenomenon? Is witnessing also so?

Ananta

That is why I clarify often that usually in the world when we talk about witnessing, we adopt more perception. And perception is the process of consciousness using attention to bring phenomenal content to itself. So this part of the play, if this is what you mean by witnessing, then this part of the play is also phenomenal because it relies on your existence and the availability of attention. So this part which you mean. But what is it that is aware of this? What is aware of your presence, this being? What is aware of attention itself? So this witness, capital W Witness, is not phenomenal. This is that which witnesses the coming and going of all the states, coming and going ultimately of 'I am' itself, of consciousness itself. This is the eternal witness, the Sakshi.

Ananta

So usually in satsang when we are saying witness, we are talking about this primary witness, that which witnesses perception and that we perceive. And yet, in spite of it being non-phenomenal, it is not just a concept. This is the only discovery like this, so direct insight about yourself, and yet it is non-phenomenal. And you are not making it up; you are it. And so it's a beautiful holy inquiry: what witnesses perception? Maybe we can take a minute to take you through this.

Ananta

If one by one all the sensors were leaving us—sight has left us, hearing has left us, taste has left us, touch has left us, smell has left us, all the senses away. Suppose all of these seemingly inner objects or memories, imagination, all of this also is gone. Emotion, sensation, pain, pleasure also gone. You continue to exist. Of this existence, who witnesses this? What is aware of this? You will notice that this one is independent of all perception, all senses, and even inner perception. This is what we call the intuitive insight because it is both beyond just a regular perception.

Ananta

On this space, like Ashtavakra says, you are the one solitary witness of all there is. And just before that he said you are not earth, water, fire, air; you are not even the space in which they happen. All phenomena you are not. You are the one solitary witness of all there is. Therefore, you must be something which is beyond phenomenal. And if you were beyond phenomenal, then you witness that all phenomena is a coming and going, an appearance and disappearance. That is why it is called appearance, because it occurs and it disappears. Reality does not appear and disappear. The reality is not, you know?

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Ananta

So I'm happy you asked this question because many have been confusing this witness of the Ashtavakra with the perception, the functioning of consciousness using the power of attention to bring objects to life. Then you ask: who is the witness self-aware, aware of itself witnessing all of the phenomenon and now its own existence? Yes, because if it wasn't, then we would never be able to say 'I am aware.' Then awareness would be your unknown motion. So what if only the Self is self-aware? Even in its dynamic play as consciousness, it comes to the recognition of this awareness.

Ananta

So if its dynamic play is coming to this recognition, if in the inquiry, if in the Neti Neti—not this, not this—you come into the recognition of this, then you that is coming to the recognition of this is also just an aspect of awareness. Then how can it be that an aspect can come to this recognition but the whole never had it? It's more... these things I know might seem a bit confusing right now, but it's simpler than what we might think it is. It's completely... in fact, it is the all-knowing, it is knowingness itself. Then how would it not know this basic fundamental truth about itself? But it doesn't know it in a conceptual way. It doesn't need to know it in a perceptual way.

Ananta

All of this is part of a phenomenal aspect, consciousness, which is paved with this knowledge conceptually, experientially. It has objects of perception. Now it is going beyond all that. That's why this is so unique. Here there is no experience on offer that way it is usually, and yet it is a non-phenomenal experience. To the mind, there is no such thing as a non-phenomenal experience because experience itself means, you know... but to you, you are recognizing this as you're emptying yourself of all conditionings, all that is false about yourself. We will see that all of these insights are self-evident, so we don't have to force them. Very good, very happy at this. Just continue to not fill the blank 'I am' with anything in that dash, and you will find that all of these insights become easier and clearer.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.