Is It Important To Meet the Lord of the Universe?

If you remain in the right place, it cannot leave. That's why I keep asking: Has anyone met God and He left? Has it ever happened to anyone? Isn't that staggering? When we meet God, He never leaves. We leave. And when we say we leave, we mean we return to our mind, intellect, and grasping. We return to taking only our sensory perceptions to be real. There is nothing wrong with sensory perception, but if you take only those to be real, then you're discarding the whole iceberg just for the tip, or thinking that the whole ocean is just the waves on top. Because we made the recognition of God and our highest reality as pure awareness into a pseudo-science, we feel like we do this experiment—we ask 'Who am I?', we mix the 'who' with the 'am' and a little bit of the 'I'—and then as part of the scientific process, there is something called the recognition of the insight. It is not that. The whole process is subject to Grace and God's will, but our job is only to remain in the right place, which is inward-facing.

Are we stable in that way? Deeper love, a higher love. The deeper you go in love, the more you feel it's the right place you're going to. This is not that kind of Nirvana which is 'comfortably numb'?

No, that would be comfortably numb. If it's deeper and you're open and you love, then there is again suffering? No, don't leave that place. You can't suffer if you're there. You're not a visitor there; you have to live there.

I visited there and then I'm out here, and there's more suffering.

Yes, of course, because Maya will try to pull you back. You went to the holy place and now you visited the not-so-holy place again. Then the 'me', the attachment, all of that will try to pull you back, and that will seem like immense suffering—much more than before. Isn't that all our experience? As we are deepening in our insight, if we play in the wrong playground, that seems worse than it used to. It does, right? So you can't leave. If you're doing rock references, then it's 'Hotel California'—you can't leave. You don't get in that comfortably numb state.

It doesn't seem like I'm doing it or I have an effect on it. It's like a result of results, and I'm just observing it. So who are the sages guiding then? Why is all this guidance from the sages, the scriptures, the Satsang needed if it's just something where one day I'm in the vortex of numbness and the next day I'm in deep love? I don't know.

Stay with God. You can do it. Staying with God or staying facing the altar, you see, is not a series of random events. We are facing the altar of God. How to fight darkness? There is no such thing as darkness, isn't it? So how to fight it? That is the fight that we are engaged in. There is no substance called darkness. I'm in fact saying the opposite of what you're thinking. I'm saying that we must fight the darkness, but the mind can come to us and say, 'But it doesn't actually exist, so how to fight that?' We have to be the light. We have to bring the light. Although darkness is not a thing, it is the absence of light. Although sin is not a thing, it is the absence of love.

Last time in one of the Satsangs, you mentioned you went to see a movie and you had to close your eyes. For quite a long time, my perception was that I needed to withdraw from everything. It was like a movie that I cannot see or participate in. But what was the most difficult part once I closed my eyes? I saw that I got attached to wanting to know what happens in the narrative.

Exactly! That's exactly what I'm saying. Now, if you go like that in the middle of a conversation, everybody listening will say, 'How did that end?' And that's what brings us back. You can spot this. It's not necessarily the movie—of course, that movie was horribly violent and I didn't want to see it at all—but what pulls us back in is wanting completion in the narrative, wanting closure. Remember that every movie with the 'me' as the protagonist is a horror movie. Whether the 'me' is wanting to love it out or become the 'maharani' with Niti, it's always going to be a horror story as long as the 'me' is central. Notice whether it was like that. The 'me' wanted to change outcomes by 'loving' and doing all of that. But the 'me's' idea of loving is what? 'Love me.' Its idea of love actually is to grasp, to own. Whether it is to own the outcome or the people, that is how it works. True love is without any filter. It can come only from God's light, and that which comes from God's light always leads to auspiciousness alone. But if you use it as a tactic or a strategy, it won't work like that.

How I experience life with God or without God—that is the most important question.

It is the most important question, my child. It got clarified for me also a few years back. Kierkegaard actually showed me this: he said that love is love only when it is about God. Our loving our brother and sister—whatever the construct of the outer relationship may be—has to be about God. This part gets missed out in the modern world. You feel like, 'I am loving, so that one should love me back.' No. You are loving only when you're pointing to the light of life, which is God. If I keep that out and it's not about God, then it's not really about love. Are you all getting this point? Even if you don't accept it, at least hear it. Because when I first saw it, I didn't accept it, but I heard it and it kept working within me. Love is love only when it is about God. It cannot be drained because if it is about God, it is unconditional and unlimited.

The trick I will tell you is that you stay facing God's altar, and all the love that needs to flow out of your expression will come. Is there a holy altar of God within you? Does Ram Ji, Lakshman Ji, Sita Ji live there? Does Krishna Ji live there? Does Jesus Ji live there? Does Allah Ji live there? Does the Lord of the Universe live there or no? That is the first question I'm asking. Is God real, or are we just going to always relegate Him to a corner and try to construct our life without taking Him to be the fundamental reality? Haven't you seen that even in Satsang, the mind wants us to exclude God from it? 'Yeah, God, fine, but tell me about my life. Tell me about what I should do.' It says, 'Don't look at the elephant in the room; let's look at every ant.' The denial of the elephant in the room is what has led to this world of suffering. We are denying the very basis of life, denying life itself, and saying, 'Okay, what should I do with my life?'

If God is central, everything is simpler. Keep Him at the center. Let's do a one-minute experiment: remove the 'me' and just make the story about God. What happens now? Suppose you went to Lord Ram's Darbar, the court where He is presiding. If you went over there and just kept looking at someone sitting in a corner, not looking at the One sitting on the throne, then what Darshan are we going to have? That is what we are doing with our life. We are looking at the ones our eyes are showing us, but we forget about the One sitting on the throne. We are looking at the soldiers guarding the throne room from outside, but we are never looking at the One sitting on the Throne of the Universe.