I Can Find No Difference From This One That Stays - 22nd Oct. 2015

True. Then you say this is meditative, yes. But then we did something separate where it was where I'm hearing, where you [are] experiencing the hearing. So am I supposed to do... like, can I just stick with one of them?

Any, all of this actually. You can take a few sentences, even one pointing, and just stay with that. The Satsang is just pointing to the same thing in different, different, different, different ways. Whatever appeals to anyone, whatever just... but it can happen that the stages, as it might seem to happen—but it doesn't have to go in the same way for everyone—is that first there is too much reliance on thought initially. Now, that reliance initially, that reliance seems to go as the first step for many. So it's: the thoughts are coming and going, I'm not so concerned about what is happening. So then we feel like, oh, our level of suffering, our level of resistance has come to much lower than what it was earlier.

Yeah, then it is usually seen that this presence, I amness, becomes clearer and clearer. When the thought activity is too much and we're going along with it, then not many can truly report that 'with the presence I can perceive or sense the presence of.' Then it can come that, yes, I sense this I am. But this I which knows even I am is prior even to the I am. To this even the I am is coming and going. And to this one I seem to be inseparable from. I can find no distance, no separateness from this one, because this one is the one that stays, so always here.

And when I do this hearing thing, then it still feels like the hearing is here, yeah, but there's still some distance between me and the hearing. And this distance is the same distance between the I that knows even the I am?

Okay, we can slow down. So we say that it seems like there's some distance between me and the experience of something. Yes. Now, this is the same seeming distance between the I which is awareness itself and the being I am, because everything is experienced here in the level of beingness, and that is also seen. So that is the distance between it. So if you can see what is at the end point of the distance... so at one end there's just this I which is looking, which is seeing, which is knowing, and then there's the sense of experiencing, doing, being—all of that is happening. That's the same, that's exactly what we are pointing to: that it is the being in this phenomenal play. It is the being which seems to be the experiencer of all things, and the knowing remains untouched by whatever might be experienced.

It can seem like this: that first there is this relief from resistance, from suffering. A lot more spaciousness, a lot more freedom seems to be here. Then the insight might come that I am this presence, that I am, I am this being itself. And then we might see that I sees even I am. And when we come to this point that this I sees even I amness, then we can truly say that there is no difference, no separation between that which sees and that which is seen. We find that all is made up of this I itself.

So we must not actually be in a rush to come to this ultimate perspective, because you might hear these reports many times that everything is just this one and there is no difference between the seeing and the seen. But if it does not ring true yet, don't worry about it. Stay with as you're going. It might be also the other way around for some, where the oneness is experienced first and the I-awareness seems to be everything first, and then the sense of being, the sense of Consciousness, the discovery of God comes. Then the sense of, you know, 'it is only thoughts which are causing this trouble' can come like that. So it doesn't have to go in one particular way. I'm just saying that usually it seems to happen like this, you see.