How Will A Thought Touch The Witnessing? - 22 Apr 2016
Saar (Essence)
Ananta guides a seeker to distinguish between passing mental states and the ever-present Witness. He emphasizes that while thoughts and sensations fluctuate, the core self remains as the untouched, eternal observer that cannot be harmed.
Does the witness also go away with the going away of the thought? No, the witness is always there.
That which is seen, I am witnessing; therefore I am not that which is seen.
You are coming to the discovery that you cannot be harmed, you cannot be attacked, and you need no defenses.
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I suffer from mood disorder as I told you earlier, so I don't feel like going out. I don't feel like meeting people and all this, and don't like to do anything basically. So is this a sign of a spiritual revolution or is it depression?
Is there an urge to find the truth about yourself?
Of course there is, Father.
Yeah. Or is there a sense of just devotional love rising for the unknown, or even for some form—a love with no need and no expectations? If either of these are there, or both of these are there, then you can say that you're already on this journey of finding out who you are. So you don't have to necessarily correlate it with loss of interest in the outside world or social interaction, although it is very often found that this is the case. You see, the true test is if there is this urge for self-discovery or there is this finding of this devotion, either to the formless existence or even to some particular forms that you might call God or Krishna or Ram or something like this. So you said already that of course there is, of course there is this urge for self-discovery. Then I am very confident that you're at the right place. We can find the Self very directly by coming to Satsang. Now, when you inquire, what is it that you find about yourself?
But Father, till the time I see the truth, will I realize the truth? It would just be an idea for me. Okay, this is not bad actually. Everything I can say is just a product of the mind till I come to the realization of the truth. Okay, so with the witness to the mind, is that all through the mind? Because when the mind itself condenses, but everything is coming from the mind, then who sees these thoughts?
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You. And the mind is nothing but a bundle of thoughts and similar energies. Who perceives these thoughts? Is that something which is coming and going like the mind, like thoughts? Is that which witnesses thoughts also coming and going? Mmm. So whether there are thoughts or no thoughts, does that mean that there is no you? On the basis of there being a thought or no thought, do you vanish when the thought vanishes?
You... Father, there is the ego in sleep...
First, we stay here. First, we start the inquiry. Let's finish that. I will promise I tell you that. So right now you are just looking and we are seeing that you said everything I say comes from the mind. So I say let's use that instead of running away from it. Let's use it. How is the mind experienced? As a thought. So when the thought comes, that is witnessed. When the thought goes, that is also witnessed. So does the witness also go away with the going away of the thought? Are you still here as the witness?
Yeah, the witness is always there.
The witness is already here now. Same thing can be said about everything. The outside appearances, inside... I think we've lost him. We'll just wait for him to come back in. Sorry, one of we lost it. Mm-hmm. Yes, and it said the Hangout is full. I kept trying. Yeah, because when you freeze and you fall out, it takes like a few seconds for your little thing to disappear and then you can... and I've gone 8JQ because otherwise you can't come back in. Little pieces all time. Thank you, thank you. So just like this appearance changed—no one second Hangout, one second no Hangout—taken all of you, Mexican doll empty is he, and yet I was here. See? So at what point do I go? When what is taken away for me to be taken away? You see, that is what we are exploring. Because that which is the truth, that which is eternal, which is the unborn, undying one, that is what we are looking for. So let's see what is it that can be taken away and yet I still remain.
So we already saw that outside appearances, whether they are present or not, I am still here. Then we had experiences where there is no sense of the body. You see, actually we are so obsessed with this sense of body consciousness that we don't realize that we become aware of the body only when there is a sensation in the body that pulls us in. Otherwise, we don't feel the body. Someone comes and pulls your ears now, then you will become aware of your ear. Before that, you were not aware of your ear. Is it? So the body also can go away and yet I remain. All thoughts are coming and going anyway; I am still here. Emotions also coming and going; I am still here. So this 'I' which remains irrespective of that which is appearing and disappearing, this is the 'I' that we are discovering. But isn't it already here? Aren't you already that? Is there any effort in this?
Is it difficult sometimes, Father? The thoughts are so powerful that they make it really difficult to see.
Yes, but right now, right now it's all about the now. Actually, that which is seen, I am witnessing, therefore I am not that which is seen. For now, we can work with the simple concept. So what is seen? Outside world is seen, and our thoughts and emotions are all perceived or seen. But you are still here as the witness of them, isn't it? Is this witness more authentic, more original, more intimate to what you are, or are these appearances more intimate to what you are? What's happening now? You witnessing. See? You again witnessing, witnessing. Yeah. Now, what can trouble this witnessing?
But sometimes it's so much of molestation by the thoughts.
How will a thought molest the witnessing? Which thought can come now that can actually molest the witnessing itself? If there are some uncomfortable sensations rising in the body, there is a witnessing of them. But is this witnessing affected by any of them? There is a witnessing of them, but is the witnessing touched or affected by any of them? You check right now and say. Don't go into any projections. Right now you say some strong or some uncomfortable sensations are arising. We can check now. Let this sense of discomfort—is it happening to the witnessing? No. It's happening to the body. The body is experienced as some sensations, isn't it? But who is suffering from these sensations? Is the witnessing also suffering? This is very subtle, huh? This is very subtle. It will become very, very obvious actually, and you will find that actually nothing can make this witnessing suffer.
So any time that I say 'I am suffering,' what are you actually saying? That I am something other than this. But you cannot be anything other than this. Anytime we say something is happening to me, we are referring to ourselves as that which is not. You see? And this checking—that I remain untouched through all of this play of appearances—is a beautiful checking even for the sages. So if something is bothering, this checking that... notice where the resistance is coming from. You are coming to the discovery that you cannot be harmed, you cannot be attacked, and you need no defenses. And as you discover this, an openness, less resistance, a free flow away from ideas of 'this must happen' and 'this must not happen,' 'it must only be this way, not be another way,' 'why is this happening to me?' When you see that I remain as the untouched witnessing no matter how strong the appearances are, life becomes an expression of this freedom. Okay, my dear? You contemplate this.
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