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Experiencing Does Not Disappear in Realization - 8th January 2018

January 8, 20185:2738 views

Saar (Essence)

Ananta clarifies that the ultimate state is the ever-present Self, where phenomenal activities and bodily reactions continue to appear like waves on an ocean without affecting the underlying reality of witnessing consciousness.

The Self remains the Self whether consciousness is still or the world of activity is playing out.
Do not give the insight of the Self back to the reference point of an individual person.
Whether this body reacts in anger or not, it has nothing to do with the Self.

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Transcript

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Seeker

But I wonder sometimes, what is that ultimate state where there is no feeling, where there is no concern about anything? Is that... is the waking state appears, that pivot of phenomena will be perceived?

Ananta

Yes, which is all-inclusive of whatever the phenomena might be. There is no such ultimate state. It's just like you discovered that this hand is the truth. Suppose now this hand is unmoving, not going anywhere, nothing is happening. It is the primal witnessing, the primal knowingness itself. Now a finger came. Now it's still the same hand. The hand has remained the hand also, but now one qualitative aspect has appeared. Let's call that consciousness, being. With the appearance of this consciousness, the Self has remained the Self only, but now all the phenomenal play is starting. And in the light of this consciousness appears the world. The world of activity begins, and in the world of activity, all this play of feelings, of events, of actions will happen.

Ananta

So, this is a distinction between doership, or the sense of doership, and the end of activity. So you see that there is no individual doer of actions, and yet activities continue. Even though wanting to be like a non-doer is a doing. So in this realm of activities, activities will continue to happen, feelings will continue to come, perceptions will continue to be perceived. So the ultimate state you want to know, you are right now. That's where you know that. And that's the... but before the 'but'. That's where... what are you less than ultimate? No.

Seeker

See, but that things affect in the city life. When I go back, it gets... I feel like there is some something which needs to be flushed out, some toxins accumulate, or you can say something like that.

Ananta

Yes, because like he was saying earlier, maybe the insight has been given back to this reference point. This is a very important point and many, many are missing this. This is very important. You had the insight that you are the Self. You met Guruji, in his darshan you saw that you are the Self. Did this body see it? No. The Self was beyond all of this, isn't it? So what does that have to do with this body? Nothing. So whether this body continues to react in anger to some situations or doesn't react in anger to some situations, what does that have to do with the Self then?

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Ananta

Your question was, when I go into work, means when this body goes into work, then certain things get to her and she reacts. What does that have to do with the Self? Nothing. Only when we try to own this insight individually do we continue to use the expressions which are coming from this mouth or the actions that are happening from these hands as some sort of benchmark for the Self. And what you found was that you are the Self and all appearances continue to come and go, isn't it? Now in that, all appearances, this body's appearances and coming and going was included. Now, so this body was found like the waves of the ocean. And all waves are coming, going. Now if the wave is not going as high one day, or going very high one day, what does that have to do with the ocean? It's a phenomenal play. It will happen. It will happen. Sometimes high waves, sometimes low waves, sometimes... unless you give the insight back to the notion of an enlightened person.

Ananta

These words are being spoken now. I can promise you there is no Ananta which is speaking them. They are appearing in consciousness. Your head is nodding right now. It is just an appearance in consciousness. No, the body is shaking her head. So all of this is just movements on the surface of the ocean.

The Thread Continues

These satsangs touch the same silence.