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Awareness is Attribute-less, So How Is Is Arrogance to Say 'I'? - 11th August 2016

August 11, 201620:3044 views

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Ananta clarifies that the true 'I' is Awareness itself, not the egoic personality. He encourages shifting identity from the limited body-mind to the non-phenomenal Self, regardless of whether human conditioning or emotions still appear in the play.

The whole point of Advaita is to move the 'I' to the reality of what it is: Awareness.
To refer to ourselves as anything other than 'I' (as Awareness) is the real arrogance.
Conditioning may still play out, but it doesn't touch the truth of what you are.

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Transcript

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Seeker

Actually, every moment is the end of it, isn't it? Now is the end of it, unless we pick it up, and then it's the end of it. We're just tired of this game now. And now, coming to this place of stopping—not stopping to try also—because individuality, personality, he who basically has to be picked up, it is not natural. And I found that it usually is accompanied with some kind of a factor, I would say. My experience is always, but like with varying kind of like a degree of obviousness or sensitivity or something, it's like there's always some kind of constriction, like a knot. Not real, like a vibration that's not rooted in like an openness, and it's always got some kind of like conditional tightness or label. Yeah. And so it seems like as fast as the thoughts drop or the belief is not given, then certainly the attention just falls upon the actual accompanying kind of vibration that's there, and then that's allowed. So I guess it's just this, sometime it's an example inquiry: nobody here. And it doesn't feel like there's an 'I' that's found that there's nobody here anymore; it's just like it's just that, it's just knowing. And it's just like a kind of recognition that I think we talk about this, like that the awareness has the capacity and the intelligence to recognize this nobody's here without creating somebody to say there's nobody here. And then, but then there could come a thought like, 'Oh, I thought, how did I ever believe that there was somebody here?' And that one does belong to a somebody, and it's like always, there's always a potential of that. So I guess I care, so just really hoping...

Ananta

Well, no, you're totally... very good is to see that. Because when you see that there is nobody here, you find that it is known now. Because the discovery is that there is nobody here, there can be a bit of a resistance to saying 'I know this.' Yes.

Seeker

So exactly, because what is found is there is nobody here, and the minute I say 'I know this,' I'm creating a somebody again. But this is not true ultimately. Yeah, it feels... it comes with a kind of a like a wariness to sound arrogant, they say. Like to say to somebody, and also like in the Satsang, like to say, 'Yeah, I found there's nobody here,' feels like, 'Oh, but you know it spiritually.' Yeah.

Ananta

So, but sometimes it can come from this place of not wanting to seem special. Sometimes it's also the fear of not wanting to sound inaccurate or something. Yeah, then you just... when you just hear that there is nobody here, then the next sentence to be that 'I found it' sounds like you're contradicting yourself. So this sounds... if not, it can be anywhere in the scale of fear of being arrogant or being, you know, any of that can be there. But the fact is that this that is aware is 'I'. It is that we've been using, misusing 'I' for so long as if it was an appearance in this play. To try now to give it the right pointer, to give it the right label, seems to attach to it either arrogance or... but it is 'I' which is aware. Or just not this 'I' which we've been using. 'I' in the past, we used it for the body-mind; we've used it for the ego for so long. It now seems to be when we say 'I', it means for many, especially in Advaita, it seems to imply ego. But actually, the whole point of Advaita is to move the 'I' from there to the reality of what it is, which is this awareness that is right, is the Self. Like, and when you contemplate the question, something is coming up, something is coming... sorry.

Ananta

The whole distinction... but a big part of the distinction between Vedanta, traditional Vedanta or Advaita, and Buddhism was this. Is it where Buddha said that there is no self? The 'no self' and the 'self' became then a label for the ego. So 'there is no self' implied that there is no ego, there is no individual. Then Adi Shankara, he actually said that this 'no self'—what do you call the no-self—individuality in that, not even phenomenal, you see. All the phenomena is an aspect of it, but it by itself is the Self. So over the instant with a Self, it implies 'I', the real 'I'. See what the problem is? It's semantical. Otherwise, I would have just left it. The reason why I've been emphasizing it is because it becomes like that. Only have these self-inquiry experiences using... babies love the campaign... and you have these experiences and self-inquiry. Many times the mind will offer you with thoughts like, 'Yes, I saw, I saw awareness now.' Easy. Or 'I'—and bring the personal 'I' back in that sense and makes awareness an experience of the product depth of some self-inquiry. And it can... might try and retain a distinction between 'I' and... because once it is seen that I am awareness, it's pretty much game over. So even under that, it tries to create a distinction as is, 'Yes, yes, I had a very nice experience of awareness, and I saw nothing is happening to awareness, but how does that really help me in my day-to-day life?' Yeah. So this 'me' creates a distinction, and again the false 'me' was given somebody. That is why it is important to see that it is 'I' that is aware. Just not the way we've been using 'I', but in reality, it is 'I'. There is only 'I'. I am that. Easy. It is not that is that; it is 'I am'. As they get comfortable, not conceptually, but comfortable with this emptiness, this nothingness being 'I', we must audit this for us. Are we comfortable with this emptiness, nothingness, non-phenomenal 'I'? See? And as you get comfortable with this, then the urge to pick up the false 'I' will not be so compellingly strong. Otherwise, many times we see we have a recognition of it, and many times because it might even be fear more than arrogance that we rush to pick up our 'I'. If it says to call awareness 'I', so we think of the false identity, presuming that this to refer to ourselves as 'I' is arrogant. But actually, to refer to ourselves as anything other than 'I' is arrogance. Meaning there is some individual here which had the power to separate itself from Truth. Is he? As far as we'll go, all of us should contemplate a little bit on this and why it feels like 'I am arrogant, I am awareness.' Well, we are the witnesses, attribute-less. How could awareness be arrogant?

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Seeker

I think it's because there's maybe some historic association between like making the statement 'I can clearly see I am awareness' and like that somehow equates that saying that also means that I'm saying I am free of all conditioning basically. And so it seems like kind of paradoxical that to like sincerely say this... I think this is what it is, like I think it's a fear where I might say to somebody... so say it, say I'm speaking to somebody, yeah, and like speaking about say like seeker identity. Clearly you can see right now like who is the seeker and therefore the seeker does or doesn't exist. And if the seeker doesn't exist, which can be seen, then what's left to do? What are you waiting for? And this type of thing. And then five minutes later to get angry because somebody's like, you know, moved something that I left there, something that just... or whatever it is. No, I mean, for long route or even like, no, get annoyed with a rickshaw, anything like that. It seems like, 'Oh no, hang on a minute, I thought you said you were awareness and who's a sad thing?' Is that... it'd be honest, it's like this wanting to be like, if I make a statement like that, to be um, like consistent in how that's... I think that's maybe what it is. I'm kind of like...

Ananta

You want to see, however, as in the world and its dynamic aspect, look at your life. If your idea is that 'I am operating from a space of imperfection,' but this is all there is. It's all about you. This is how awareness is running its life. The play of consciousness is the play of awareness. There is no other perfection but just this. These mental benchmarks, even that is part of the complete perfection of this play. You see? You see that? Okay, I said I am awareness, I'm not seeking anymore, I'm telling you, 'Why didn't you clean your plate?' The play of... seem the one that is playing, I think the same reason have to express itself in a special form. Think also it's like... also having said that, many times this can become like an Advaita excuse for bad behavior. So how much... they point also and to smell there is something is coming from a space of individuality or not. And then let's go. Then all the tools, all the pointing, everything is available. So those are just opportunities now, is it? So rather than beating yourself up about them and they see, 'I have created such a nice enlightened self-image and just five minutes later, yeah, my anger, you see, is my acne.' Then I stopped resenting ourselves to these things when we start instead of looking at them as opportunities, saying conditioning, conditioning still plays here. It doesn't touch, touch the Truth in any way, and yet in this play, conditioning is where you seemingly vibrant forces. Then we just meet the moment as it is openly, and we create ideas about how the one that is free or liberated should then creates drama, problems. And that is why it's good news. They may look back at the lives of all the sages, you find that everyone had a different expression. There is no constant thing you can say about them. Yeah. It is in India which have with cursed entire lineages, say like you heard of the stories of Parashurama and all that who destroyed entire lineages of Gods, then entire lineages of people, no, of people in the Self. Yeah. Sages who one time a king or someone looked at his wife and he caused him to stay, remain like a stone for hundreds of years. Is that enlightened behavior? So we can she recorded later than... it was something about it. What were they just showing you? It's for me, they're encouraging stories to show you that in the play, appearance is... will come. Anger can still come, lust can... though I have never cursed anyone, you want to be. So all these things could still come. All right? So many in the Sangha can keep beating themselves up that 'If I'm free, then why do I still feel desire or lust?' It's okay. It is the second punch of guilt which is this: 'Why am I like this? Why am I like this? Why, when will this go? Why am I not free?' The genuine force is the false sense of 'I'. But just in the normal day-to-day flow of life, all these energetic sensations can come and they can go. But most importantly, I feel these opportunities to see whether we are attached to some sort of a self-image where we want to be seen as someone who's free, you're not seeking anymore. There is something that is also seeking them, that life keeps giving us these opportunities. And this continues. If anyone ever says, 'In my life now there is no more insight, there is nothing more that life shows me which allows me to look deeper,' I'd be very skeptical about these words. At least the experience here has been that it's constant fresh insight, present fresh expression. I don't feel that the waking state would come up if this potential for a deepening, potential for fresh insight was no longer there.

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