Ashtavakra Gita Ch. 20, Vs. 10-14 Commentary and Contemplation - 20th September 2017
Saar (Essence)
Ananta guides the seeker to recognize their true nature as the eternal, unchanging witness beyond the phenomenal play of opposites. He emphasizes that once the illusion of the person is transcended, concepts like bondage and liberation lose all meaning.
The witnessing of all of this has been my true position; I am the unchanging witness.
Enlightenment is the discovery that there is no person; it is recognition beyond personality.
I am awareness. Where is illusion? Where is existence? Where is the person?
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Transcript
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Chapter 20, verse 10: 'Where is the relative, where is the transcendent, where is happiness or misery? I am empty of thought.' So, where is the relative, where is the transcendent, where is happiness or misery? Yesterday we discussed all of this with you. We said that once we go beyond the phenomenal—why go beyond the phenomenal? Because the sages said that the truth, the ultimate reality, is beyond the realm of the changing. If it is changing, what is it? It's an appearance. Beyond the realm of appearances, you find yourself as the unchanging, the unmoving. And all the way of relatives then, not phenomenally, not physically, but relative qualities, starts to become meaningless, immaterial. The idea that I have to transcend also goes away. Now remember that this is the end of the Ashtavakra Gita, so though the pointing to transcend is useful as we are looking to go beyond the phenomenal level, once you have crossed it, then you see that there is nothing to transcend. It's just like saying that you can only say that there is no mountain after you have climbed. You can say there is no transcendence after you have transcended.
So Janaka has reached that understanding about the Self and it is seen there that there was nothing ever to do, there was nowhere to go. Nothing relative, nothing to transcend. Happiness or misery, the play of opposites—when we have been so fearful in our life to want only happiness, pleasure, avoiding misery, pain, all that falls away. Whatever happens in the movie happens in the movie. He will still continue to watch this body play, this body which has been given the name Ananta and continues to play a busy business, but I see that I am the witness of that, watching it. This becomes your true position, or it has always been your true position, but this recognition comes: that the witnessing of all of this has been my true position. That which is aware of this, that which is aware of the perception of the world, the perception of this body—there is an awareness which is aware of all things which are moving, which is aware of the perception of these words right now. They are appearing, but the awareness is not speaking. The Self is not speaking, just aware. Just like the Self is not hearing, it is aware of this hearing right now.
Notice: what is that which is aware of this? The perception is happening, these words are being heard. Are you aware of this perceiving? Can that which is aware, can you say it is phenomenal? You might think it is phenomenal, you might feel it is phenomenal, but can it ever become your true insight? Nobody has come to this insight. Everybody, when they go looking for the Self, find this reality which is beyond this play of time and space, beyond happiness and misery. 'I am empty of thought.' So that concludes this verse.
Many times there is illusion. 'Where is existence, where is attachment or non-attachment, where is person, where is God? I am awareness.' Where is illusion, where is existence, where is attachment or non-attachment, where is person, where is Lord? I am awareness. Then you see that when you discover this reality, then you notice that all of this play of Maya, all of this play of attachment and trying to not be attached and be attached—either of those positions have been an idea from our limited notion of ourselves. And I thought, the one who's attached, who has desires, and the one who's not attached, now can pick up that position: 'Oh, I am just detached, not attached to any of this.' But what is the 'I' there? That is always the key. If that 'I' is always still the limited idea of yourself, the individualized idea of yourself, the personal idea of yourself, then neither of these positions will help you. We talked about all these opposites in pure mind: desire, no desire, attachment, no attachment. It's all part of the phenomenal play.
How does any of that touch awareness? So when you see your greater reality as this unchanging one—and I clarified why this is the greater reality: if there are two and one just comes and goes and one is eternal, ever-present, then which would you say is greater? So that is why it is the greater, in which that which is coming and going is also there; there is awareness of that coming and going. So what is your greatest reality? Do you come and go? Are you still attaching your identity to that which comes and goes, or you see for yourself that you are the unchanging? So that identity, if it is attached to that which comes and goes, that is what we call the person. The idea of there being a 'me' who is something which is not eternal, which is subject to birth and death, which has likes and dislikes, which has desires and aversions—all of this is what we call as the person. And this has been part of one's strong conditioning. Consciousness has believed itself to be this person. Through this belief system, you must be attached to this, you must not be attached to this. Everything latches on as a condition, as an identity. What is the person but just a bundle of identities, just a bundle of beliefs?
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So if you don't believe anything about yourself, you don't believe anything about yourself, do you still exist? And then see, it is the ultimate question: where is this existence? Where is this existence? So at some point, like Maharaj, can we be bold enough to say even something like: forget about consciousness. Even that seeming forgetting, of course, is a play within consciousness. But what is your greater reality? That which is before 'I am.' That 'I am' comes and goes. What is it to you? In reality, we've gone too far to say by saying all these states come and go—waking, dream, sleep—all these states are coming and going and you remain the eternal witness of this coming and going. How does this appearance in one of these states make a scratch on you or a taint on you? Can something that happens here touch awareness? It will remain untouched.
Where is the illusion? Where is existence, attachment or non-attachment? Where is the person? Now the funny thing about the person is that at least for phenomenal things you can say, 'Okay, computer, here it is. Body, here it is. Sofa, here it is.' Bodies are there, but person, where is it? Is it even a phenomenal appearance? Not even a phenomenal appearance. You cannot identify the location of this person. Where is this person? Second-level illusion, which means that it's just an imagined sense of separation. What is the ego? Just an imagined concept of separation. There is a 'me' which is apart from everything else. That is the notion. Presently, there is a 'me' which is apart from anything else. Now, unless you think about it, can you believe such a notion? Can you really experience such a notion of person without the thought to believe something? Is it your experience that there is a 'me'?
Sensations can be there. The body sensations can feel very intimate, but can you distinguish between your body sensations and the sensations of this world, and the sensations of the sound from the road, the sensation of the breeze from the fan? Unless you define a boundary for 'me' which is based on thought, all are appearing in the same space of your existence. If you did not exist, would these sensations be experienced? Now many have misunderstood this imperative, that this is something speaking individually, saying that all of this is in the mind of the individual. I'm not saying that. That is what is called solipsism. We're not saying that. I'm saying that the misidentification is about who you are. I am referring to you as consciousness. I am referring to you as beyond even that consciousness. I am not speaking to you as the body. If I was speaking to you as an individual entity and then saying all of this is your play, then that would be a misunderstanding. You are this. Their existence is the light of this consciousness. From this place, can you say that all of this is a coming and going? I am the eternal unchanging one. How can you say, 'I am the one solitary witness of all there is'?
Or you can say, 'Where is God? I am awareness.' Indeed, beyond adoration, all of this comes from that. No person has ever become special. There is no enlightened person. Enlightenment is the discovery that there is no person. The recognition of your existence beyond personality, beyond personhood—that's what we are talking about. Where is the person? Where is God? I am awareness. So now, depending on your definition, of course, some refer to God as this sense 'I am,' which is how I usually refer to consciousness. Others say 'I am' is the ultimate reality. What I am, even this consciousness, is a coming and going. And for those who are new to Satsang, the statement 'I am God' can sound very arrogant or special. But here, what is being said? We are saying even Godhood is a coming and going for me, depending again on your definition, of course. If you say consciousness is God, this presence is God, this existence is God, then you are even beyond that. When we refer to this, the Self, the Absolute itself is Brahman. So don't get confused by definitions. This is what is being spoken about. Where is God? I am awareness.
Where is activity or inactivity? Where is liberation or bondage? I am timeless, indivisible. I am Self alone. So when we say activity or inactivity, it is about doership. What am I to do and what not to do? Where is liberation or bondage? Is awareness ever bound? Can I build a chain strong enough to bind awareness? So the concept of bondage itself does not apply. So what liberation can I give to that which is not bound? You see that liberation is the discovery that there is no such prison that we want liberation from. Now, you mustn't misunderstand even this, because even this—that 'I need no freedom or any more liberation'—can be picked up as a concept. And conceptually, in a basket of concepts, we can still maintain our limited identity and add to that this concept that 'I am God, I don't need freedom.' This conceptually is not enough. It must be a reflection of your true insight about yourself, because all concepts are shaky.
You keep saying 'I am God, I am God.' Many times people have these kind of things where you start saying and assuming that you replace it mentally to be like that, which is the identity trying to hold on to the identity, to hold on to some idea of godliness. And you'll find that that is actually a very shaky ego, because even when life comes in its day-to-day life and something happens—your mom says something to you—in that moment, the whole 'I am God' thing goes in two seconds. You've gone back to being the daughter. It is just conceptual, but not the result of true realization. The concept, all concepts, are changeable, removable, coming and going. We want you to at least agree for yourself: what you are cannot be replaced.
There are principles and scriptures. Where is the disciple or teacher? Where is the reason for life? I am boundless, Absolute. I see that your form—we all know what this is. We've looked at all of these aspects of all. Where is existence or non-existence? Where is unity or duality? Nothing emanates from me. No more can be said. Where is existence or non-existence? Where is unity or duality? Nothing emanates from me. Nothing more can be said. Such as this is the last verse of the chapter. The only existence—where is existence and non-existence? If I am nothing, can truly something emerge? Can truly there be reality which emerges as an appearance as a byproduct of that which is nothing? So that which emerges then must only be the idea that there is a snake, the idea that there is a 'me.' But actually, there is no 'me.' The idea that there is a 'me' is just an idea, but there just is. The idea that there is ego is a matter of pure thought.
So this is really saying that nothing has ever really happened. May the blessings of the Sage Ashtavakra be with all of us. May his grace be with all of us and we will continue to spread the holy light. This beautiful play, he said, never really happened.
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